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what's the difference between logitech g400 and g500? they both have good reviews and they're both cheap
and how do zowie mice compare to the g400 and g500?

They are only similar when it comes to shape. They are very different in every other way. Most people would say the G400 is better.

The g400 is optical with a lower max DPI but an overall better sensor that does not have acceleration issues (unlike the G500). The G400 has no adjsutable weights, but it is relatively light. The G500 on the other hand has adjustable weights, but even without it, it is very heavy. The G500 also has a sensor that is not in the center of the mouse, which may need getting used to (wrist movement feels exaggerated because the sensor is in the front). Finally, while neither mice has a scroll wheel that I love, the one in the G400 is decent, while the one in the G500 is awful in my opinion. It does allow for some extra things like smooth scrolling and side-ways scrolling. But it is loose, wobbly and hard to click.
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feenix nascita best mouse I've owned and I've tried many. thumb.gif


Edited by Jesta42o - 2/21/13 at 12:49am
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feenix nascita best mouse I've owned and I've tried many. thumb.gif


Certainly looks the part. Though one has to point out that it is 135 grams and uses the Avago 9500 sensor with known acceleration issues. Also, the price tag is a little intimidating. Though there may be ways in which it makes up for it (build quality, feel etc.). This is one of those examples that a mouse that maybe perfect for some could be a nightmare for others.
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Some of my favorite palm grip mice are the Mionix Naos 5000 or 8200, Deathadder, Roccat Kone+, or even the G700 thumb.gif
hey kazuyamishima, what do you think about these mice? besides the g700 since it's wireless
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hey kazuyamishima, what do you think about these mice? besides the g700 since it's wireless

I find it hard and a little bit unfair to comment on peripherals that I have not tried myself.

I know the G700 has a few sensor or driver related problems. Like the "small movement problem" that people used to complain about. I dont know whether they ever got around to fixing it. Here is a 14 page thread on the Logitech forums that spans 2 years:
http://forums.logitech.com/t5/G-series-Gaming-Mice/G700-and-small-mouse-movements/td-p/482089
I'd stay away unless you really want wireless for some reason. Also, I have tried one, and the cord attachment to the mouse is stiff and uncomfortable.

I have never used (or even seen in real life) a Mionix mouse. The mionix 8200 uses the 9800 sensor. When that came out, it had all the traditional laser sensor problems + some extra issues on some mice. Mionix says they fixed the delay that they used to have. I know this because when the sensor came out, I looked up all the info to see what kind of improvements the new sensor brought (unfortunately, just a higher DPI basically).

I know nothing about the Mionix Naos 5000. I imagine the sensor has the same issues as that sensor has in other mice. Though I dont think that automatically makes it a bad mouse. The shape and feel can be big factors when choosing a mouse. And to some, the acceleration problems are not too big of an issue.

One thing I really like about these Mionix mice is that they are big ergonomic mice that seem to facilitate a palm grip well and even have a spot to rest your ring finger and pinky (some people dont like arching them or dragging them over the mousemat). Yet they still manage to stay around 100 grams. This is fairly unique, and to me, the most appealing thing about these mice. Other large ergonomic laser mice are almost consistently 125g +. Like the Roccat mice, some of the Logitech mice and the Cooler master mice. Though some people, probably people who play on high sensitivity, don't really care about this.
Edited by kazuyamishima - 2/21/13 at 11:53am
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They are only similar when it comes to shape. They are very different in every other way. Most people would say the G400 is better.

The g400 is optical with a lower max DPI but an overall better sensor that does not have acceleration issues (unlike the G500). The G400 has no adjsutable weights, but it is relatively light. The G500 on the other hand has adjustable weights, but even without it, it is very heavy. The G500 also has a sensor that is not in the center of the mouse, which may need getting used to (wrist movement feels exaggerated because the sensor is in the front). Finally, while neither mice has a scroll wheel that I love, the one in the G400 is decent, while the one in the G500 is awful in my opinion. It does allow for some extra things like smooth scrolling and side-ways scrolling. But it is loose, wobbly and hard to click.
why don't you like their scroll wheels?
i'm leaning towards the g400 but this kind of discourages me
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forgot to mention i updated OP with more info
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what about logitech g400 vs g300 vs g9x/g9?

edit: what about corsair mice?
Edited by itzzjason - 2/28/13 at 5:40pm
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why don't you like their scroll wheels?
i'm leaning towards the g400 but this kind of discourages me

Nothing wrong with that scroll wheel really. It does the job. I don't like it as much as some other scroll-wheels in other mice. That is the only reason I made that comment. For example, the wide, weighted rubberized scroll wheels in Razer and Zowie mice are the ones that I personally really like. Though you will also find people who think they have too much resistance or have some sort of other complaint about them. I also think that the scroll wheel on the g400, for me, sits a little too low on the mouse's body. This makes it a little harder to push. You also have to push it quite far to make it register a click. However, other people will tell you they had no such issue with the mouse.

The test of the scroll wheel is really easy to me. Some I find comfortable to use in high paced games, others I won't (simply because I can't) use in these types of games. The g400 would suffice, the g500 I would not use at all. The Deathadder and Zowie AM I can use without any hassle and hit the button accurately and confidently without delay. But a lot of that is personal preference and the way your hands are shaped/ you hold the mouse.
Edited by kazuyamishima - 3/1/13 at 3:27am
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what about logitech g400 vs g300 vs g9x/g9?

edit: what about corsair mice?

I don't know much about the G300. So I cannot say much about it. Just looking at the pictures there are a few things that caught my eye. First, it has a very weird sensor position. Now sensor position is one of those things you could get perfectly used to. But many would rather not. The second thing is the button placement. There are no buttons on the side for your thumb, so using the extra button requires you to use the index, middle or ring finger (depending on how you hold the mouse). This is of course, less than ideal since those fingers are also used for LMB and RMB. The last thing is that it uses quite an unusual sensor (LED optical). I don't know how it behaves or whether it has any tracking issues. I am afraid you will have to google this.

G9X uses the same sensor as the G500. So all the things you know about that sensor apply here. Other than that I know it is popular and many find it's shape to be comfortable (or at least one of the possible shells).

These mice should all be on display in some shops. You could see them and try them out. Comfort and feel, and how the mouse fits in your hand is more important/ usefull than all the info you can gather on the web.
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