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Whoops! I took the marketing for truth...
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So... I'm not decided ... who's better o_O .... tell me DuckieHo
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You won't find an LED panel of significant size for under $1K though. OLED and AMOLED are cutting edge.

Agree 100% with this though for you it's not an issue as everyone mentioned, both are LED backlit. That's fine IMO & not something you need to worry about.
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There's more to a monitor than what the marketing specs state...

First, use a lot of "salt" as the saying goes when viewing manufacturing specs. AFAIK, there is NO uniform standard for measuring contrast ratio. Also, dynamic contrast (in this case ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio) is a bunch of... let's just say "marketing sales pitch". What you want to focus on is static contrast (usually you'll see this in parenthesis). So if a monitor shows "3,000,000:1 dynamic/super awesome/whatever contrast and (1,000:1) - the 1000:1 is the number you want to consider. Still, as DuckieHo points out, manufacturer specs are definitely no everything. Sadly, even spec may not be entirely accurate. A manufacturer may list 1000:1 static contrast, but testing puts it at 900:1, 800:1 or even less. For the most part, I suggest using contrast ratios only for comparison between models of the same brand.

In this case, from what I can tell, there are two main differences between the Asus VX238T and Asus VX238H-P (BTW, it would be helpful if you provide links and brand name along with model numbers when asking for help):
  • Asus Vx238T - response time : 5ms and "ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio (ASCR) : 80000000:1" (pure marketing number)
  • Asus VS238H-P - response time: 2ms and "ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio (ASCR) : 50000000:1" (pure marketing number)

In short, one has a higher contrast ratio while the other offers lower response time. Which is "better"? Sorry, but I can't really say. I really don't have enough info to form a decent opinion. I'm a little suspect that there's no static contrast number given. Personally, I'd shoot for 1000:1 static contrast spec, though again, that doesn't necessarily mean you'll get that. How important potential is potential "ghosting" to you? Maybe 5ms is fine. In that case, go for the higher contrast model. If not, then easy decision - get the 2ms GtG response time model.

I highly recommend that before you any monitor, you do a thorough web search on the models under consideration. Look beyond the specs (which again, may or may not even be accurate). For example, a monitor may feature a wide color gamut display, but that doesn't mean much if it has bad color accuracy. Read as many reviews and user comments/forum posts as possible on each model you might buy, and note what else is recommended in your price range. I wouldn't be surprised if you found a better model/brand for the same/similar price. FYI, but if you're looking for a gaming monitor, make sure to notice whether a particular monitor's input lag is acceptable. That may not be stated in the specs, but should be mentioned in a good review. TFT Central may have some good information/provide alternatives.
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tnx you goesto11 but my country shops dont sell VS238H-P it's only VS238H -> http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/VS238H/ and he dont have 2ms and that make me confuse biggrin.gif and i download the full manual for this monitors and make that .
look here !



so ? new who's better biggrin.gif ? or what you buy in this case
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@prologikus: I'd like to help, but it's hard for me to do so without knowing (1) the primary usage for the monitor (ex. gaming, or watching movies, etc.), (2) your system specs (current or one you plan to build) - particularly CPU (clock speed as well), graphics card (clock speed here helps), OS (operating system = Windows version or Mac), and (3) your budget - though pricing differences between countries will make it a bit difficult.

FYI - when I talk about response times (2ms or 5ms) that refers to the speed at which a monitor can adapt to fast motion changes. A more detailed explanation here. At a certain point, higher response times mean that you see "ghosting". Think of an image of a car moving across the screen from right to left (could be a game or movie - doesn't matter). When ghosting happens, you'll see faded image(s) behind of the car behind the current image because the monitor can't keep up with the changes. Under Responsiveness and Gaming here you can see some examples. While it can happen with video playback (though not typically), with today's LCD panels, it's more of a concern for hard core gamers. That's why gamers get monitors with low (say 4ms and under) response times which are found on TN (type of LCD) panels. BUT there's no universal "must have" number for response time. There are gamers who find 6ms or 8ms GtG IPS (another type of LCD panel) monitors perfectly fine for gaming.

FYI #2 - IPS panels give you better display color accuracy and wider viewing angle, but TN panels are "faster" (lower response time) and are less expensive than IPS panels. Thus people who work with image editing (Photoshop), watch a lot of HD movies, or are are particular when it comes to display color accuracy tend to prefer IPS panels while "gamers" or those with less money to spend tend to go with TN panels. That is NOT to say that people do not game or enjoy gaming on IPS panels (plenty do) or that those with TN panels do not enjoy watching movies or think the color is "bad." It's just one type tends to be better than the other for certain things, and even then, ultimately it's personal preference.

If you want to know more, I wrote a detailed post which (I hope) is a good overview of things to consider when buying an LCD monitor. That being said, it is kind of a wall of text rolleyes.gif and might be more information than you want. Just FYI in case it helps.

I don't know to what extent you've researched monitors, but here's a couple of suggestions anyway:

(1) If you haven't already, do a "google" search (or whatever search engine you like) on "Asus VX238T review" and another on "Asus VS238H review". Sorry if this seems repetitive, but there really is a lot more than just looking at specs - things that can only be discovered via actual use and testing with proper equipment. Hopefully there's at least a few reviews on one if not both. See what the reviewers have to say and note if they have any alternative recommendations. A lot of times, you'll read "ABC monitor is okay, but it's just not as good as XYZ monitor for the same price."

(2) Do a search on "Best 1920x1080 LCD monitor" (you could add "gaming" if that's what you primarily will do), and see what comes up. There's lots of tests for 1080p/1200p monitors - read through them and filter out the recommended ones in your price range. Make particular note of models that are repeatedly recommended. You could also do an Amazon search for "1920x1080 LCD monitor" or "1920x1200 LCD monitor", filter to your price range, and then rank by average customer review if your desperate for some alternatives (do NOT go just by Amazon customer reviews!). Then do a web search for actual test reviews on a few of the popular highly rated models in your price range.

Maybe you did all that already and have narrowed things down to the two models you mentioned. From the information you posted and checking on Asus' website, I find those two monitors literally almost identical (99%). The only difference I can determine is that the VX238T has a higher advertised dynamic contrast compared to the VS238H. If that's correct, since all else is equal, I'd pick the VX238T, BUT that does NOT factor in any difference in price between the two. If the VX238T is much more expensive, it may not be worth the extra money. ALSO, I can NOT say whether there are "better alternatives" for the same amount of money. I don't know enough about your current system, primary use for the monitor or budget as I mentioned above.

Finding the right monitor does take some effort, but it's worth it IMO. FWIW, I only had two models to consider, but I spent hours (including calling both HP and Dell tech support for extra information... twice!) before making a decision. More than a year later, I know I made the right one.

Hope this helps & GL.
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OMg .. it's took me long time to read ... and for understand all of this .. but most of this i know ... and about what you said with gaming and movies .. i dont know very well .. smile.gif) i make a photo 4 understand biggrin.gif

About amazon ... or ebuy or others we ( from my country ) dont use them they dont deliver in Romania so .. we only use price and this lists all online shop from country and say the lower price .. bla bla ... and my buget is 210 USD ( 700 RON -> from Romania ) Site to convert

Ok ,but back to subject i'm not desperate with this two monitors but i think this is the best buy on my buget smile.gif and if you want to search somethink it's good to know i like only Samsung&Asus but samsung have a big price so ... .

With tests and reviews i dont like it too much ... the only displey tests i like ( from what i know ) its make by GSMarena For example there i can make the differences ...

PS: Sorry for my stupid english ...

Edit: my sis specs are : AMD 965, ATI randeon 5830, Asus m4n68t but soon i will buy Asus M5A97 EVO r2.0 and other i dont think it need ..
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Sorry if I went into too much detail, but I'd rather do that than have you think "Why didn't you mention this?" Don't worry about your English - it's a LOT better than anything I could write in a foreign language (I can order beer in 3 other languages though tongue.gif).

My recommendation = get the Dell U2312HM if at all possible. I have NO idea about pricing in your country, but bet best price US is close (roughly $230) and well worth the extra money in my opinion. Despite the higher cost, I think it's a much better value than either Asus monitors or anything else around it's price. Because it is an IPS panel, it WILL make a difference compared to the Asus TN panels when using Photoshop. (BTW your pie chart was great thumb.gif). From all the reviews it seems to be the clear choice for $250 US or less. Frankly, I'm quite impressed with it, and recommend it without hesitation to anyone looking for a 1080p monitor in this price range.

Some reviews are here, here, here, here, and here along with Dell Romania U2312HM product page.

Suggestions for getting the best price:

First check pricing for buying directly from Dell (if possible), as well as local and online retailers. Note the best price from an AUTHORIZED dealer. Second call Dell Romania and ask for sales

Ways to reduce price if buying directly from Dell (NOTE: This is from experience dealing with Dell USA and may not work or work as well. Still worth trying IMO). **Remember to be POLITE yet firm when negotiating with a sales representative.**

(1) If you are a student (even university or graduate school), at least in the US, Dell has student discounts available. So ask the Dell Romania sales representative if there is one and how to qualify if so. Student discounts are usually the best you will get.
(2) If you are not a student, but work for a large corporation (or maybe someone in your family does), Dell MAY (very hit or miss) have some sort of employee discount (10-15%) for that corporation. You will NOT be able to get both student & employee discount so this is something in case a student discount does not apply.
(3) If nothing else, ASK about what discounts are available - including any business/professional associates if you are out of school. Maybe there's one which you/family member might qualify.
(4) At least for Dell USA, normally there is some room to negotiate. It may not be much, but better than nothing. If an AUTHORIZED local or online retailer has a better price, see if Dell will beat it ("you prefer to buy directly if possible") or at least match & give you free shipping. If nothing else, there is probably a good chance you can get free shipping (again, at least in the US). Try to get that on top of any other discounts.

If for some reason you just can't get the Dell, you might be worth considering: the LG Flatron IPS235V and HP 2311xi. As IPS panels they should give you a better color display then the Asus VX238T, but they have their flaws. For example, one review noticed streaking in the HP 2311xi during fast paced games. Also, I think they are about the same price as U2313HM, and frankly, even if the Dell was $20 or $30 (US) more expensive, I'd still get that if possible. Neither one is as good as the Dell U2312HM in my opinion. As for the Asus VX238T, it's probably a pretty good TN monitor, but not nearly as good as the Dell. I really can't say anything conclusive since I didn't find any "professional" (tech website) reviews on it or the other Asus model. Also, I have no idea what your local prices are like for any of these monitors. If the Asus VX238T is a lot cheaper than the others and your budget is tight, it may very well be the best choice given your constraints.

That's the best I can do for you. I really hope you are able to get a good deal on the U2312HM and buy one. In any case, good luck, and let me know which one you end up picking.
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i just said i dont like very well this firms ... :< and if ips make differences .. VS239HR is good biggrin.gif ? he have -> 23inch <-> 250cd/m2 <-> 1000:1 <-> 5ms (G to Gσ) and i found it at 225 USD and dell at 238 ...
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i just said i dont like very well this firms ... :< and if ips make differences .. VS239HR is good biggrin.gif ? he have -> 23inch <-> 250cd/m2 <-> 1000:1 <-> 5ms (G to Gσ) and i found it at 225 USD and dell at 238 ...

Yeah, my mistake. For some reason I remembered/focused (not sure what happened) on "About amazon ... or ebuy or others we ( from my country ) dont use them they dont deliver in Romania..." - which is why I gave a link for Dell Romania, and some how missed/forgot "i like only Samsung&Asus..." Again, my fault, but I wish I hadn't wasted so much time. frown.gif

Personally, for only $13 more I would get the Dell U2312HM without ANY hesitation. As far as I'm concerned, there's no contest - the Dell U2312HM is simply the better monitor. I could NOT find any reviews on the Asus VS239HR, but I did find a couple reviews on the VS239H-P. Yes I know it's not exactly the same monitor, but apart from the higher dynamic contrast with the HR, they look the same as far as I can tell. The reviews were "good, but not great", and I highly doubt the VS239HR's higher advertised dynamic contrast alone would make much, if any, difference in the review results. I've also read some forum comments about back-light bleeding problems with some Asus IPS monitors - including the VS239 models. Maybe that's fixed on the HR. I have no idea on that. Just to be clear, I LIKE Asus. I have an Asus motherboard and sound card. There is no brand loyalty here. The Dell U2312HM is simply an outstanding monitor, and best in it's class according to every review I read (more than what I posted below).

Still, it is your money. If you don't like Dell for whatever reason and are not willing to reconsider buying a Dell product, then get the Asus VS239HR.
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