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Originally Posted by zGunBLADEz View Post

dude a 9 fps increase on crysis titan vs 7970ge edition talking about SINGLE CARDS..

THE HELL??? THATS NOT WORTH $700 bucks more.. You can get a 2nd 7970 and beat the crap out of titan perf for your $$$ and still be even with 300 bucks on your pocket to spare...

This is just bad news for this industry if nvidia sees people would buy this overpriced graphic card...

It makes sense for max performance in a SFF PC, or for someone just building the ultimate gaming rig with money as no object, stacking Titans in multi-SLI. Otherwise, a 690, 7990 or two 680s or 7970s blow it into the weeds at a lower price.

But Nvidia wanted to have the fastest single GPU in the world and they do now. And people will buy it, even at $1K a pop.

Personally, I think AMD needs to release an official 7990, and call it the AMD Radeon Olympian--since it was the Gods of Olympus that toppled the Titans.
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post #1002 of 3575
Ug, stuck in meetings all day so my pre-orders at Newegg are like 4 hours late. I am probably so far back on the list I won't have em for a month. mad.gif Hopefully Newegg doesn't cross reference shipping addresses on multiple accounts lol.

Strange this turned into a "pre-order" day and not a launch day. Anyone know the factory clocks on the Asus versus EVGA versions? I notice EVGA has come out with details for their hundred different versions of the same reference card. There should only be two, with and without a waterblock. Slightly changing a factory clock on a reference PCB only card and marketing it as a different version is pretty funny.

Gonna have to read some reviews now to see how Titan is doing at Surround resolutions.
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I expected the titan to be better than AMD cards seeing as it has the compute parts put back in.

Regarding this and ALL the comments relating to the OpenCL based compute tests:
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Originally Posted by AnandTech 
Unfortunately that got cut short when we discovered that OpenCL support is currently broken in the press drivers, which prevents us from using several of our tests

I get enough of a jump in CUDA so I'm happy to be getting one, but I do want to see OpenCL results with the drivers working.
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post #1004 of 3575
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No we compare the Titan to the former single gpu flagship. Which turns out to be a gtx 680.

Not if your comparison argument is 6970 to 7970, which is different architectures and processes. The 6970 equivalent for Nvidia is the GTX 580 - Fermi on 40nm, not Kepler on 28nm.
post #1005 of 3575
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Originally Posted by zGunBLADEz View Post

Then dont say that @ %30 improvement its not possible...
Maybe you are right in the end but im just saying it is possible...
Specially now that amd will feel obligated to match this numbers in the end..

Would be funny that for $500 instead of $1100 XD

Not sure if serious.

6970 was on 40nm and the 7970 is on 28nm, that's why the gap is so high.

For the 8970 they don't have extra transistor budget unless they increase the die size, which for AMD is very unlikely.
 
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post #1006 of 3575
I'm sure this has been said 200 times already, but I haven't said it yet biggrin.gif

I believe that $1,000 isn't a bad price for this card. Yeah, they could have lowered it about a hundred bucks, but for what this card is, the price is okay. Just be thankful NV didn't charge more. I'll just make some points to make it short and sweet:
  • Single GPU card that fills in the gap between the 7970/680 and the 690/7990, sometimes nipping the heels of the dual gpu counterparts
  • Takes up two slots as opposed to SLI/CF setups which take up 4+ (given that the CF/SLI setup relatively equals the performance of Titan)
  • It's a collectors card like ARES, MARS, etc., so it's already going to have a premium because of that
  • The boost 2.0 is actually a pretty nice feature
  • Issues that usually come with CF/SLI setups don't apply to this card
  • Frame latency is actually very low (Check TechReport's review)
  • Good power consumption for the performance it brings
  • 6GB VRAM is good for surround gaming
  • Great compute performance in applications that support its architecture
  • epeen

Now, some of you guys might read that as points not worthy enough to warrant it's price tag, but that's subjective, especially in the minds of people who have already purchased this card. Like all graphics cards, they are a double edged sword, and the higher the price on the card is, the sharper the blade becomes.
  • It's $1,000
  • You have to buy two (or more) in order to fully utilize everything that it offers
  • You can buy 3 7950s and have much better performance in games/applications that utilize it
  • You can buy 2 7970s and have better performace in games/applications that utilize it
  • You can buy 2 670s, 2 660Tis, 2 7870s (?), and have better performance in games/applications that utilize it
  • The 6GB VRAM will only be correctly utilized in SLI setups at high surround resolutions
  • The increase in performance over slower cards doesn't warrant the price tag to some people

I'm not sure on what benefits the 6GB VRAM will do in GPGPU applications, computing, and whatever else that isn't gaming, so I won't blindly cross that line.

So, yeah, you may get the extra performance with multiple cards, but at what cost? You have to worry about driver stability, micro-stutter, real-estate for multiple cards, games that support multiple cards, and heat and power consumption among other things. To some people, that's a big deal, and they would rather have a single gpu that, while offering less performance, gives you an overall less error-prone gaming experience. Then again, for people buying two or more Titans, they'll more or less be in the same boat as users that have multi-gpu rigs. Not that having multiple cards is a bad thing, as it isn't, but scaling isn't always what people would like them to be, and different games utilize multiple cards to varying degrees, be it for better or worse. Since Titan is a single gpu powerhouse, even with games that don't really utilize multi-gpu setups, the performance is going to be great regardless, which is a good reason why this card has its merits.

As for the price:performance ratio, it's clearly pretty bad, seeing as the transition from the 6970 to the 7970 is more or less the same as the transition from the 680/7970 to Titan, but this isn't a next-gen card. It's an enthusiast card designed for people with deep wallets, while upping NV's image of having the most power single-gpu card ever made.

Also, let's not forget that this card JUST CAME OUT. There's bound to be some driver updates that increase the performance and stability of this card. Just look at the 7xxx series when it debuted and look at the performance increases now, or even NV's cards. Just by driver updates, the performance has increased by least 15% on their cards. I wouldn't doubt that the same will apply to Titan. So, for the games that Titan sees little performance increases over the 7970/680 (C3 and Sleeping Dogs, for instance), all of that may change with a simple driver optimization, or it may not. It just depends, but seeing as it's a flagship card and whatnot, I wouldn't doubt that there will be some performance increases for this card. Only time will tell.

With all that said, Titan is a niche product, even more-so than the 690/7990. For the people that believe that Titan will fulfill their desires and requirements, and have the green to buy one, then more power to you thumb.gif For people who won't buy Titan, and/or choose to debate over the "value" of this card, then you're clearly not qualified to be in that niche, myself included. Personally, I'd take two 7950s, overclock them, run them at 5760x1080, and call it a day, but that's just me.

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I purchased my 7970 GE for $302 to my door....and not off eBay, everyone seems to go to eBay when they hear the price. If you shop around you can find them for ~$350 on sale, and prior to game coupons and extras.
I bought 2 on sale $450 plus $30 rebate from amazon on may last year plus @ a couple of $20 amazon credit @ 400 bucks... So 2x7970 for $800 back in may
Returned one XD
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The thing that surprised me quite a bit was Techpowerup's Tri-SLI GTX-Titan tests in Surround, albeit at a much lower resolution than my setup (5760x1080 as opposed to 5160x2560). The 3-Way Titans in most games were scaling terribly. Only BF3 and one other game (I forget which one) seemed to have really been the games Tri-SLI Titan shone. In the other games, the Tri-SLI actually performed worse than Titan SLI (2 cards)! mad.gif

I was hoping to go with 4-Way SLI Titans. Hmm. .. I guess I will have to try them out myself and see if they do indeed scale. I'm hoping they do at my resolution. Gotta get some 6GB of VRAM! thumb.gif

And, to those whining about the price, it is quite hilarious. The GTX-Titan is analogous to Intel's i7 Extreme Edition CPUs as Anandtech's review has stated. It is for the "luxury" market. Those who care about price/performance, stick to the budget cards like many who have stuck to budget monitors.
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post #1009 of 3575

No ...... thats not an OFFICIAL AMD 7990 .
post #1010 of 3575
How many want to bet the if AMD was to release there 8000 series cards tomorrow that Titan would be positioned at a $550 price point?
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