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Guys, and ladies, when will the "Titan owners" thread open up? [since i pre ordered, doesn't that count as "owned"?]thumb.gif
Edited by carlhil2 - 2/21/13 at 7:57pm
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post #1252 of 3575
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Originally Posted by carlhil2 View Post

Guys, and ladies, when will the "Titan owners" thread open up?

I've been waiting for a more established member of the forum to create it
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Originally Posted by Master__Shake View Post

only one spike, you're doing it wrong, according to many many reviews it's supposed to be a stuttering mess.



see??

Interesting...
Edited by bencher - 2/21/13 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

Just did BF3 MP 64-MAP Server @ 2560x1440 Ultra Settings.

This is what i got. Just so everyone understands Frame times change based on the fps you are getting. Only when the driver are not good you get high spikes which cause micro stutter. Over a period of 6000 fps counted only 1 spike with my 2 x HD 7970.

*sweet spreadsheet removed*

6000 frames, vsynch'd = 1 hiccup every 100 seconds

not too bad, as long as it happens while respawning.. redface.gif
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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Thanks for the link. Now we need to figure out what HWC is doing, why their tests are showing one thing when so many other websites are showing SLI to have better frametimes than single.

There's either something awry with the testing method (frametimes) or someone is testing improperly.

This is similar to what you are seeing in the Crysis 3 and Hitman charts on Hardware Canucks. The 690 line is thicker than the Titan line, but it's not perceptible microstutter:





While the 690 has more variance between consecutive frames, it's not enough to be perceptible. Again, true microstutter looks like this:




If Hardware Canucks had zoomed in to individual 690 frames on Dirt Showdown, it would look like this Crossfire example. While Crysis 3 and Hitman would look like the zoomed in 690 Sleeping Dogs example.


Excluding the Dirt example, in the rest of the games tested on both sites, the 690 does not exhibit noticeable microstutter. That said, it does have more consecutive frametime variance than the Titan, but the delta is constrained enough to not be bothersome.
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Every frame is still below 30ms, that isn't perceptible either. Regardless, my absolute only interest is comparing SLI to single nvidia card. Nearly every result shows better results with SLI, across multiple websites. That doesn't exactly bolster my desire for the Titan.
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Originally Posted by Swolern View Post

Hopefully the Titans will be able to overclock the Sharp to 80 or even 90fps.

Hm, I would not bet on that as the display is virtually maxing out DP 1.2 at 60 Hz. It really depends on the internal circuitry of the monitor and is a crap shoot. Would be awesome though!

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Originally Posted by zinfinion View Post

Percentile frametimes dont always equate to microstutter. You can have a section of a game that one GPU just cant handle and it drops to a consistent 33+ ms and completely hoses the percentiles, but it wasn't stuttering.

The only way to definitively determine if a card has microstutter on a given game is to zoom into the graph like they did here:

You will note the difference between the thin Geforce line and the cloudlike AMD line.

In none of the graphs did any of the Geforce cards have microstutter. Any differences were purely the difference in card capability, but they were all absent microstutter as evidenced by having thin, consistent lines.

AMD meanwhile had issues with Sleeping Dogs, Hitman, and Far Cry 3.

It's as simple as that. Geforce had no microstutter, AMD had microstutter in a few games.

This.

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I couldn't care less about crossfire, zinfinion. My concern is how the hell SLI has better microstutter / frame latency than a single card, almost without exception. Keep in mind that i've been reading pages upon pages of people suggesting Titan because it has better frame latency than 680 sli, but it doesn't.

Electronically it just isn't possible, is it? I don't know, it just doesn't seem logical or possible. The results at many websites show this, consistently, so it's a valid point: what the hell gives? Why is SLI showing better frame latency than single cards?

Is the test flawed? Are frametimes worthless?

Or does SLI really have less microstutter than a single GPU?

I just want an explanation that makes sense.

I don't think anyone has said to get Titan's over 680's to decrease frame latency. Get Titan(s) over crossfire 7970's to see the frame-time improvements. 680's in SLI have always had better frame-time charts than 7970's in CF.

EDIT more info:

GTX-TITAN-92.jpg
Edited by CallsignVega - 2/21/13 at 8:11pm
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Maybe its because frame times are an absolutely useless metric? thumb.gif

You stated in the other thread people have said they see stutter on your computer, I believe you said "they said it was a stuttering mess". Yet you still say it doesn't exist.

Just be glad you can't see it, but don't claim it doesn't exist. wink.gif
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Like I said before
In conclusion, just because you (and others) are willing to pay the price, it doesn't mean people can't complain about it.

You absolutely can complain as much as you want. It's a free(ish) internet.

On the other hand, I am absolutely free to wonder how you get any sleep when there are so many forums on the internet for products you won't be buying, I assume you go to all of them and let them know the product is too expensive and you won't be buying it, right?
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Every frame is still below 30ms, that isn't perceptible either. Regardless, my absolute only interest is comparing SLI to single nvidia card. Nearly every result shows better results with SLI, across multiple websites. That doesn't exactly bolster my desire for the Titan.

By what criteria are you deeming it to be be better? Because every graph I've seen shows the Titan as having less variation than the 690, which is the key to smoothness and avoiding any stutter. Based on everything other than Dirt, neither card will perceptibly stutter, so if you're going by that and the generally lower frametimes (thus better FPS) of the 690 then I can understand your position that the 690 is the better choice.
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