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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er View Post

300MHz increase ~ 10% increase in performance. Probably stock card is boosting ~ 1GHz speeds.

I wonder how close a 1.3GHz HD 7970 can come to a Titan.

Titan follows the Kepler oc perf. Percentage very closely. 1/3 or 1/2.5 was the norm for 680 as well.

Pretty clear at this point that 1150-1165 is the average or close to the top of Max sustained boost with stock bios. Now if we can get past that 265w limit....because this makes it painfully clear a water block can't net you any more boost. Temperature is not the problem, total power draw is.

Do you guys think we will see fried chips once someone mods the bios? I think gk110 can take upwards of 280-295w but there must be a reason for the hard limit right?
     
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Its a preorder. They wont have them till the 28th. So if all goes well i'll have 2 to play with next friday

I only said it was available for order, the soonest anyone will have them will be the first week of March, and that is just a guess on my part. I still won't be dropping $1k on a card, but the pricing of the 680's and 670's has become more affordable.
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Titan follows the Kepler oc perf. Percentage very closely. 1/3 or 1/2.5 was the norm for 680 as well.

Pretty clear at this point that 1150-1165 is the average or close to the top of Max sustained boost with stock bios. Now if we can get past that 265w limit....because this makes it painfully clear a water block can't net you any more boost. Temperature is not the problem, total power draw is.

Do you guys think we will see fried chips once someone mods the bios? I think gk110 can take upwards of 280-295w but there must be a reason for the hard limit right?

Custom bios are already in the works for Titan.
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10%? That is wrong

More like
3DMark: +15%
Metro 2033: 1080p: +12%, 1600p: 11%
BF3: 1080p: +15%, 1600p: 17%

Thats pretty good on air. He isn`t even overvolting it.

Its not about overvolting. Overvolting means nothing with this card where it stands. Its about the 265w limit. He could set it to 1v and 1250 but if it draws more that 265w it doesn't matter. Titan constantly adjust voltage and clock whether you want it to or not. That's why we are only seeing 1150-1160 sustained overclocks. Hell, kingpin used 1.162v to get 1750 clock lol (though he probably hard modded the card)
     
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Some overclocking results.

Hmm... I *highly* doubt that +250 on memory is stable, he just pushed the card as high as it could go for benching. I believe many reviews said they wouldn't go past +150 on memory because all it does it increase TDP usage, which will lower your core clock when gaming.



This also makes me laugh at all the "690 is by far superior" posts. The 690 has microstuttering and frame lag, so the Titan is far above the 690 in this test. Both are great cards, and it's really preference if you want the 690 or Titan.
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You know #$%# has hit the fan when people are bickering over comparing the performance of two $1,000 graphics cards....talk about first world problems! rolleyes.gif

The GTX 690 vs GTX Titan debate really has to stop - when it's all said and done, the GTX 690 is going to come out on top in terms of raw performance, somewhere in the vicinity of 10-15%. Frame times are obviously a different story as the Titan comes out ahead by a bit since it's a single card solution. However, virtually every game released these days supports SLI, and the frame time differences are so miniscule that they are going to be imperceptible to 99.9% of people looking at side-by-side comparisons of games being played between these two cards.

The downside to the GTX 690 is the lack of VRAM in high multi-monitor setups, since 2GB just isn't enough; the downside to the Titan is that it will run out of pure horsepower well before it hits a 6GB VRAM limit, making it a truly premium solution for those who are looking to buy 2 or more. Both cards are BIOS moddable, and the 690 is absolutely capable of some good OC'ing headroom, so the whole "when the Titan is OC'd" argument is moot when you can do the same to a 690 - unless people want to ignore the current 690 OC'd records.

The allure of the Titan isn't there for a lot of people who are already rocking 7970s, 680s or 690s, simply because the sensible upgrade path will usually *only* lie with getting TWO Titans, which, unless one is running 3x monitors at a 1440/1600p clip, just isn't needed. That is, of course, with ePeen notwithstanding. I don't think i'm going to downgrade (yes, downgrade) to a single Titan, because that makes no sense for me with a single 2560x1440p monitor - Crysis 3 on the highest settings with 4/8xAA maintaining a framerate relatively close to 60FPS vsync'd? Check.

The only thing that would make me run out and throw more money at Nvidia is if benches come out with insane, and I mean insane, numbers from OC'd Titans surpassing 690s in raw performance, since if that happens, the VRAM headroom between 2GB and 6GB would make it worth the trouble to switch.

TL;DR; 690 owners needn't feel butt-hurt over the Titan - i'm sure most of us who own a 690 can afford to buy at least 3 on a single paycheck, so cost probably isn't the issue. At the same time, there is no need to pretend like the Titan isn't a card that's "not worth it," since it very much is - with the right setups, particularly when in SLI/Tri/Quad-SLI - but I will agree, for people already rocking 7970s/680s/690s, the Titan really is a card that should only be bought if you're willing to completely throw away any notion of price/performance figures, since the numbers are readily available as far as what one gets when investing in a *single* Titan. thumb.gif
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Guys, if you are going to post graphs or other metrics please do what a few people here are doing and source them, or at least give the details of them such as benchmark, drivers, card edition etc.

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Hmm... I *highly* doubt that +250 on memory is stable, he just pushed the card as high as it could go for benching. I believe many reviews said they wouldn't go past +150 on memory because all it does it increase TDP usage, which will lower your core clock when gaming.

Has anyone speculated how high the memory could go without the TDP limit? Will we see 7000mhz effective with an unlocked bios?
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Has anyone speculated how high the memory could go without the TDP limit? Will we see 7000mhz effective with an unlocked bios?

KingPin got 1.75GHz core and 6.8GHz memory on his modified BIOS and that's across 3 cards, so unless he got 3 cherries it's probably not a fluke. I think ~6.5GHz for 24/7 is possible on stock, if we get modified BIOS. However, no one is gonna come close to reaching his core speed without LN2.

I'm also not sure i'd flash a $1000 card's BIOS for ~5% more performance. If I was on water and could turn that into ~10%, I'd consider it more.
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KingPin got 1.75GHz core and 6.8GHz memory on his modified BIOS and that's across 3 cards, so unless he got 3 cherries it's probably not a fluke. I think ~6.5GHz for 24/7 is possible on stock, if we get modified BIOS. However, no one is gonna come close to reaching his core speed without LN2.

I'm also not sure i'd flash a $1000 card's BIOS for ~5% more performance. If I was on water and could turn that into ~10%, I'd consider it more.

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