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Originally Posted by xoleras View Post

Thinly veiled attempt at being rude and hostile, nice.. I was never rude at any point in proving my points. The data shows that Titan delivers less sub 20ms frames than the GTX 690, i've pointed this out many times and apparently some are offended by it. It's a valid topic of discussion, i'm sorry you feel otherwise. Clearly this is something that should be scrutinized since GTX 690 is 15-20% faster than the Titan at single monitor resolutions, so the question then becomes is a microstutter a valid part of the equation? It appears the answer to that question is no.

You can be hostile and rude all you want, it's a valid point. The data shows more sub 20 ms frames on the 690, so I brought it up as a debating point. Sorry that upsets you.

I've already explained everything numerous times, you're basically choosing to ignore it. Whatever makes you feel better, though.

It wasn't an attempt to veil being hostile or rude, it was a statement that you are incorrect, have been MATHEMATICALLY proven wrong, and you still post garbage in an attempt to make a point whose very foundation is incorrect. Your math is wrong, your reading of the graphs is wrong, the conclusion you draw from the graphs is wrong, your point is wrong. I am not trying to hide being rude, there is a certain point where you must call a spade a spade, you do not get it, and you are not adding value to this professional community trying to legitimately discuss the advantages and disadvantages to the GTX Titan on a real and technical level.

You are effectively making stuff up as you go, and this does not help OCN, nor any other people who might read this thread in a hope to understand the product better.
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Stop thinking each generation will have gains like it did 5 years ago. You will just be disappointed. Technology progression is slowing down, barriers are being hit. Expect $500 cards to have 15-20% gains each year, just like the 580 to 680 did. This card is designed for people who want to pay a premium for a little bit more performance and is not for everyone. Anyone who buys the card knows they are getting screwed in price/performance, and as someone else stated earlier, it's the same with Dyson vacuums.. yet people still buy them.

I don't own a dyson vaccum either. wink.gif

I am just saying that these people can speak with their money, by not buying the Titan. Nvidia is watching. smile.gif

What happens when we start seeing $1500 gpu's? Will that be excused away as well?
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I don't own a dyson vaccum either. wink.gif

I am just saying that these people can speak with their money, by not buying the Titan. Nvidia is watching. smile.gif

What happens when we start seeing $1500 gpu's? Will that be excused away as well?

This is what I am afraid of. Main reason i dont spend >$300 on video cards.
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What happens when we start seeing $1500 gpu's? Will that be excused away as well?
Pretty sure you can come up to a conclusion seeing how many people in this thread are buying two, three or four Titans as soon as they go on sale.
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Honestly, you know what worries me. If the Titan is around 70-85% of a 690, and it costs a Grand. Then should I expect the 780 to be only slightly faster than the 680? Because if it were faster than let's say a Titan, then how much would it cost? I mean, look at 680. You could say 680 is to the 590 what Titan is to 690, except 680 performs about equal to 590, and cost $500.

So I am calling next 780 to be a mid range card again costing more than $500, except it's not going to be nowhere near the jump from what 580 to 680 was.
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Originally Posted by bee144 View Post

This thread needs to be closed. Too much hate. There needs to be an owners thread with a zero hate tolerance policy.

Already exists. This is neutral grounds in here for people that want a debate.

As long as name calling is not happening, and people are being mature, disagreements will not get this thread closed.
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I don't own a dyson vaccum either. wink.gif

I am just saying that these people can speak with their money, by not buying the Titan. Nvidia is watching. smile.gif

What happens when we start seeing $1500 gpu's? Will that be excused away as well?

You can rest assured this is not a market scheme on NVIDIA's part. The TITAN is a $3500 workstation GPU that has been cut down and remarketed for consumers. They are not getting a massive profit off of each sale. It's an exception, just like the 8800 ULTRA was. We haven't seen any reference cards above an $800 price tag since the ULTRA and that was years ago. I have no reason to believe $1000 single GPUs will become the norm. We may see another one a few years from now, but it'll probably just be another consumer grade tesla card .
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Honestly, you know what worries me. If the Titan is around 70-85% of a 690, and it costs a Grand. Then should I expect the 780 to be only slightly faster than the 680? Because if it were faster than let's say a Titan, then how much would it cost? I mean, look at 680. You could say 680 is to the 590 what Titan is to 690, except 680 performs about equal to 590, and cost $500.

So I am calling next 780 to be a mid range card again costing more than $500, except it's not going to be nowhere near the jump from what 580 to 680 was.

It will only be 15-20% faster than a 680 and cost around $500. I have no proof, but NVIDIA's consumer lines are pretty predicable at this point. It will be no different from the 580 > 680 upgrade that many people on here did, which was only ~15% at launch (it's better now because of driver improvements). History is repeating itself, and many people were complaining about only a 15%-20% faster card then too.

When the 780 releases i'm 100% sure the forums will be filled with "Only 15% faster?! What a rip!" and "Slower than a Titan that came out a few months ago?! What a rip!"

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I'll be happy to include at least 15 charts proving this point, if you ask.

You can provide 15 or 1500 charts and you still won't be interpreting things correctly.

I don't bother to look at the 99th percentile charts and render a verdict based off them simply because they do not tell the whole story.

When the graphs are examined, there are times when the 690 very clearly hangs on some frames enough where it would be noticed by the player. The other 99% of the time, it does render frames quicker than the Titan because it has two gpus.

20ms with a huge spike here and there will be felt as microstutter.

30ms with no spikes will feel smooth.
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K20 cards that fell short, I'd bet they're happy to be selling any of them for 1k a pop, it seems very obvious to me it's not meant to be a high volume part. I do agree with the people that it might have ramifications for future pricing. I don't worry so much about the 1500$ cards someone mentioned a couple posts up but more the fact that nearly any price lower looks good against a 1k$ Titan. It's not hard to imagine them charging 700$ for the 880 down the line and just saying "the card is awesome be lucky we didn't price it like the >Titan it is.

Nvidia got a lot out of this product imo. We'll see if the good outweighs the bad will generated by the price.
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You can provide 15 or 1500 charts and you still won't be interpreting things correctly.

I don't bother to look at the 99th percentile charts and render a verdict based off them simply because they do not tell the whole story.

When the graphs are examined, there are times when the 690 very clearly hangs on some frames enough where it would be noticed by the player. The other 99% of the time, it does render frames quicker than the Titan because it has two gpus.

20ms with a huge spike here and there will be felt as microstutter.

30ms with no spikes will feel smooth.

Except, what you're stating (30ms with spikes) has never happened. Most frame time charts (which vary by game, as I mentioned) are showing that the 690 have lower latency at every point on the curve and is lower than 20ms at every point in the recorded data. That's the problem - 690 is nearly always lower latency at every point simultaneously while being sub 20ms.
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20ms with a huge spike here and there will be felt as microstutter.

30ms with no spikes will feel smooth.

Yup.
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Except, what you're stating (30ms with spikes) has never happened.

He said 30ms without spikes, and 20ms with spikes... which is definitely happening on the charts I saw.
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