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I think a lot of us feel this isn't worth $1000 because it's... late. Had this been released a year ago in the form of GK100 that was 60-70% faster than a GTX 580, then the price would have felt warranted, because 40% is more typical for the generational upgrade. But here we've been now with HD 7900s for over a year, and GTX 600s for nearly a year, so the increase doesn't seem as impressive. It's still impressive, just not $1000 impressive (at this time).
Nvidia are exploiting the fact that there is no 8000 series upgrade available and milking the crap out of people with the Titan and people are defending it doh.gif

If there was an 8000 series delivering 15-20% more power than a 7970 they would never even attempt this pricing... people would see right away that it's nothing but a greedy cash grab unfortunately some people think we hate the thing because we are "poor" lol and think we're jealous.... God help us....
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Honestly... if people like you and cloudfire represent the majority of the people Nvidia are marketing this card for, i'm surprised they didn't charge more...

No they are marketing it to people who can obviously afford it. If they don't make money, that's on them. I don't care if I look stupid to you or some dumbfounded guy from Mass. I came here to this thread to celebrate the release of Titan. Not tell people what to do with their money. If you guys have all this time to waste on whining about the cost of the card, probably don't need anymore explaning as to why the cost bothers you in the first place tongue.gif
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Nvidia are exploiting the fact that there is no 8000 series upgrade available and milking the crap out of people with the Titan and people are defending it doh.gif

No kidding. If AMD didn't open their dumb mouths and say nothing is coming til Q4, most likely Q1 of 2014 then perhaps we'd see something different. Either way, welcome to what a robust market place looks like. You still have options redface.gif
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I will use myself as an example, because frankly that is the only person I care abou;)t I am buiilding my first rig, and want to run at or as close to 120fps at 1440p 120hz. If I buy $1000 worth of 680's I wont be able to do this, or it will be close in some games. I would then want to upgrade again when the 7 series comes out, because I am hoping to get the performance I want. so i just spend $1,000 on cards, and now need to spend another $1,000-$1,200 on cards, that may no accomplish what I want. For $2000 right now I can ge the peformance I want, which If I didnt meantion earlier, that is all I care about. lol.

Something you may not realize about 1440P is you don't have to max out AA, you can drop it way down, compared to what you have to run at 1080P. AA was designed to make the low pixel count and pixel density look better. When you have high pixel count and density, like at 1440+, you don't have to run 16x or 8x, you can run 4x and it looks just as good. You should have no problems with 120Hz @ 1440P with two 4GB 680's. When you use proper settings, instead of doing the "I am maxing my settings even though after a certain point it doesn't make a visual difference" line of thought.
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My thoughts exactly. They have a target point now which they will go for with high clocks and a good 8 months to work on drivers.
Well within the realm of reality it will match titan for the normal high end price, and then Nvidia will feel they have to put the 780 at that performance level..... Paying double for 8 months early performance. Speculation of course.

Of course they could work together and decide to launch at a certain performance level so everyone gets a piece of the pie, who knows really.

There are a couple of performance marks release where Titan was only about 13% ahead of a 7970 Ghz Edition.....

If the 8000 series brings the expected 10% to 15% gain, where does Titan sit?

Mannnnn! I am so disappointed in Titan....maybe that is my fault.
    
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dude a 9 fps increase on crysis titan vs 7970ge edition talking about SINGLE CARDS..

THE HELL??? THATS NOT WORTH $700 bucks more.. You can get a 2nd 7970 and beat the crap out of titan perf for your $$$ and still be even with 300 bucks on your pocket to spare...

This is just bad news for this industry if nvidia sees people would buy this overpriced graphic card...
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Originally Posted by Newbie2009 View Post

Don't think you will ever convince ANYONE there is a justification for the price tag.

Reality is nobody is happy about the price. But if you want it, get it. Don't have to justify a buy to anyone but yourself. (not speaking directly to you as such)

I bought it because I wanted to, now PFO would be my final response.

I bought it because I wanted to as well.

However I will try convincing people to even try and see broken logic. At the moment looking at this thread it just seems like people had unreasonable expectations (I mean since when isn't 15% slower than a 690 good for a single GPU) and are just having trouble comprehending the price and what it means/where it came from.

The price/perf argument doesn't make any sense and never has. There's a reason why the most expensive cards are always on the bottom of the price/perf lists on TPU smile.gif
 
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To everyone saying that people should just go 7970s etc. instead of Titans are you also willing to say that people should go with 7850s instead of 7970s?

a 7970 offers around 40% higher performance than a 7850 for a bit over twice the price.
a titan offers around 35% better performance than a 7970 for bit over twice the price.


See why using price/performance as an argument with cards like this is silly? It just doesn't work, price/performance doesn't scale linearly, never has and never will.

What many of you are basically saying is that all 7970 owners are silly and the 7970 is a horrible value because a 7850 will give much better price performance.


1. the 7850 isa better choice p/p for the average gamer so yes, the average gamer should indeed go with the 7850 over the 7970.


2. there are situations where a game will not be playable for enthusiasts at 1600/1440p(even 1080p for some games) with a 7850 but a 7970 will satisfy. Titan is not in a much better spot. if you're going to get less than 60 fps @ 2560x1440 with a 7970, you will get less than 60 with Titan.
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To everyone saying that people should just go 7970s etc. instead of Titans are you also willing to say that people should go with 7850s instead of 7970s?

a 7970 offers around 40% higher performance than a 7850 for a bit over twice the price.
a titan offers around 35% better performance than a 7970 for bit over twice the price.


See why using price/performance as an argument with cards like this is silly? It just doesn't work, price/performance doesn't scale linearly, never has and never will.

What many of you are basically saying is that all 7970 owners are silly and the 7970 is a horrible value because a 7850 will give much better price performance.

Amen to that brother.

There are so many variables to discuss when it comes to price.

What the competition offer. GTX Titan is the best performing single GPU out there. Its even reclaimed the GPGPU throne. Hype it up, people will pay extra money for it.
What the market neeeds. GTX 680 is a solid GPU and play most games out there with high resolutions. Does Average Joe need more? No? Can he wait til our GTX 780 which will cost the same? Yes, crank up the price.
What the enthusiast are willing to pay. 6GB of GDDR5. Overvolting. Better overall performance with SLI than 2xGTX690s. Allow smaller builds etc.

Performance are never linear. Its always about demand and how to exploit this the best.
post #908 of 3575
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To everyone saying that people should just go 7970s etc. instead of Titans are you also willing to say that people should go with 7850s instead of 7970s?

a 7970 offers around 40% higher performance than a 7850 for a bit over twice the price.
a titan offers around 35% better performance than a 7970 for bit over twice the price.


See why using price/performance as an argument with cards like this is silly? It just doesn't work, price/performance doesn't scale linearly, never has and never will.

What many of you are basically saying is that all 7970 owners are silly and the 7970 is a horrible value because a 7850 will give much better price performance.


1. the 7850 is a better choice p/p for the average gamer so yes, the average gamer should indeed go with the 7850 over the 7970.


2. there are situations where a game will not be playable for enthusiasts at 1600/1440p(even 1080p for some games) with a 7850 but a 7970 will satisfy. Titan is not in a much better spot. if you're going to get less than 60 fps @ 2560x1440 with a 7970, you will get less than 60 with Titan.

EDIT: as far as what you buy, i think that's your choice. not trying to make you feel bad about the purchase at all, but objectively the Titan is not really worth $1k unless you really want it, and yea the 7970 is not worth its price ot the average gamer either.
Edited by FLCLimax - 2/21/13 at 12:58pm
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What the competition offer. GTX Titan is the best performing single GPU out there. Its even reclaimed the GPGPU throne. Hype it up, people will pay extra money for it.

Where the GPGPU??? Because the few people (me included) who use computing power other than folding are cracking hashes and bitcoining and nvidia SUCKS at this...

Hell my 7970 without overclocks is 1.5times faster cracking hashes than this titan..
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I bought it because I wanted to as well.

However I will try convincing people to even try and see broken logic. At the moment looking at this thread it just seems like people had unreasonable expectations (I mean since when isn't 15% slower than a 690 good for a single GPU) and are just having trouble comprehending the price and what it means/where it came from.

The price/perf argument doesn't make any sense and never has. There's a reason why the most expensive cards are always on the bottom of the price/perf lists on TPU smile.gif

I don't think it is a price/performance issue, but a general performance issue.

I absolutely didn't expect to see situations of Titan only being ~13% better than a 7970 at 1Ghz, or on average only being ~30% faster than a 7970 at 1Ghz. Really, Titan just hasn't put up the numbers....
    
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