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I actually prefer games to be released on Steam since it so easy to keep track and download all your games. I use it for IM all the time anyways so I'm always logged on when I'm at my PC I'm on Steam. Plus with Steam integration you get so many features you wouldn't otherwise get like Steam Workshop, Game Hub, Market (soon), you can easily join your friends games, match making and so much more tongue.gif. I'd rather have games integrated with Steam even if that means I have to use Steams DRM.
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Is there going to be a dayZ 3.0 for arma 3? At some point during the development of dayZ I read there was going to be, but then things changed and they're doing (have done?) dayZ as a standalone. The bugginess and clunkyness of the arma2 engine was what prevented me from seriously considering dayZ for purchase and I was going to check it out again once the arma 3 engine was ready.


edit: and steam sucks. It just sucks a little bit less then the other horrible DRM schemes.
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He said in the article that without Steam "There was a very real chance there would be no Arma 3 this year otherwise." I mean I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are being honest but I genuinely wonder why??
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ARMA 3 over BF3 any day.
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Is there going to be a dayZ 3.0 for arma 3? At some point during the development of dayZ I read there was going to be, but then things changed and they're doing (have done?) dayZ as a standalone. The bugginess and clunkyness of the arma2 engine was what prevented me from seriously considering dayZ for purchase and I was going to check it out again once the arma 3 engine was ready.


edit: and steam sucks. It just sucks a little bit less then the other horrible DRM schemes.

Unless someone else does it, I don't think there will be a DayZ mod for ArmA3. With the standalone, there's really no need for it since everything in the standalone is going to be done from scratch including animations, AI, etc. A DayZ mod for ArmA3 is going to be just as buggy and awkward and prone to hacking as the mod for ArmA2 (which will still be developed along side the standalone) whereas the standalone is going to fix all of the main problems as well as add a ton of new features that the mod could never have given the limitations of being a mod.
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ARMA 3 over BF3 any day.

?? They're not even comparable.
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I know, right? Like child abuse and genocide, Steamworks DRM is sickening. I am glad we share the same value system.
Man, you must be pretty old, I think there was no DRM on Spacewar! but even when this old guy was a kid we had to do things like enter word 12, from paragraph 3, on page 10 to continue.

I want to make it clear that I don't like always on DRM at all, I love GOG.com and try and buy as many games as I can from them, but right now the reality is that the major publishers are not willing to release without DRM and not enough gamers care enough to stop buying the games.

So in that context Steamworks is as good as it gets. Literally. If you are running Steam and lose your Internet connection unexpectedly you have 90 days, three months, to play your games before you have reconnect to the Internet and if you know you are going to be without Internet service, say you are traveling or camping, you can go into offline mode and never connect again.

When you couple that with all the benefits, the sales, the Workshop, friend's list, etc., Steam offers a service that outpaces any of its online rivals by light years.

I realize DRM is here to stay but was responding to that guy acting like steam is some godly feature compared to origin and uplay when it is nothing more than drm just like them. Sure it has extra bells and whistles which most people do not use in the first place, but as a service that is just used to run games it is no different. I actually use all 3 and do not mind any of them, but its okay to complain about origins and uplay all the time but if I complain about steam; I have to get used to it?
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?? They're not even comparable.

Arma 3 is soo much more realistic that quake, their both fps right?
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Good. I'm glad it will be on steam. That way I don't have worry about losing the key or the disk down the road.
That is royal pain in the lower side of my back. Had it happen recently with bf2142 I was pissed
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I realize DRM is here to stay but was responding to that guy acting like steam is some godly feature compared to origin and uplay when it is nothing more than drm just like them. Sure it has extra bells and whistles which most people do not use in the first place, but as a service that is just used to run games it is no different. I actually use all 3 and do not mind any of them, but its okay to complain about origins and uplay all the time but if I complain about steam; I have to get used to it?

Well, strictly as a storefront Steam has a lot of sales that Uplay and Origin don't, along with stocking a wider variety of games. It's making an effort to be more open to Indie projects with Greenlight, and they have already started selling a few non-game software packages as well. There's also Steam for Linux and Big Picture Mode. You also have the Steam Workshop, the new Steam Guides feature, neither of which (as far as I know) are available in Origin or Uplay.

I mean, if your argument is that no one uses Steam except to buy, download, and launch games then I don't know that the data is available to indicate usage of community features like Steam Workshop, but there are clearly differentiating characteristics, including allowing developers/publishers to sell their game on Steam and not have it use Steamworks.
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Well, strictly as a storefront Steam has a lot of sales that Uplay and Origin don't, along with stocking a wider variety of games. It's making an effort to be more open to Indie projects with Greenlight, and they have already started selling a few non-game software packages as well. There's also Steam for Linux and Big Picture Mode. You also have the Steam Workshop, the new Steam Guides feature, neither of which (as far as I know) are available in Origin or Uplay.

I mean, if your argument is that no one uses Steam except to buy, download, and launch games then I don't know that the data is available to indicate usage of community features like Steam Workshop, but there are clearly differentiating characteristics, including the ability to sell your game on Steam and not have it use Steamworks.

origin has sales too, and uplay titles still have steam sales as ubisoft games are on steam. You are aware games on greenlight are available to play off steam as well right? its just there so people can get said game on steam to fill their need for a padded list. Steam Workshop at least in Skyrim's case does not have many of the good mods that skyrim nexus does. The reason why people want games on steam is to have that game on their "list", and so everyone can see the hours played they have on it and such. The best sales are on green man gaming anyways.
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