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Well, I am considering ditching Windows 7.  :)  It's possible that I no longer benefit from it due to the way I use my sig rig these days, and I think that I'd still have just as problem-free of an experience with Linux (or Unix, if that's recommended) as I do with Windows 7.  I heard today that Linux is way faster, and so I have decided to begin looking into it.

 

Based on what I do with my sig rig as well as what I might want in an operating system (as seen below), which Linux (or Unix?) would I be happiest with?

 

This is a list in very random order (right off the top of my head, completely unrehearsed) of the things I use my computer for, things I can't give up, and what I think I'd like in an OS:

 

  1. Firefox
  2. I need all of my Firefox extensions to work.  I can list them all if I need to.
  3. I do the occasional "offline" viewing of a PDF document.
  4. E-mail (Outlook 2003 - I paid full price for it, so I refuse to give it up
  5. Word Processing - very rare (Word 2003 - I paid full price for it, so I refuse to give it up)
  6. Bi-weekly MP3 playback of a 3-hour internet radio show archive
  7. I play the occasional downloaded video (like I recently purchased an instructional video and it plays in PotPlayer which is my absolute most favorite media player right now)
  8. DVD movies
  9. Pics
  10. Screenshots
  11. Overclocking
  12. I use CPU-Z, Real Temp, Prime95, Core Temp, IBT, LinX, etc.
  13. I have the Microsoft Intellimouse Optical and I'm not giving up the Intellipoint software
  14. I have the XtremeGamer and I'm currently using Daniel_K's X-Fi Support Pack 2.5.  I don't want to give up the Console Launcher which contains all of the adjustments that can be made.
  15. I have no hard drives, just solid state
  16. I would like an OS that's very fun to use, visually entertaining even for the simplest of operations and tasks.  I want something that's alive with smooth 3D animations.  It has to be visually quite stunning.  I want it to blow me away.  :)
  17. I need the Time, Day, and date (with the year) displayed at all times.  With my lifestyle, it helps me keep track of what time it is, what day of the week it is, and what the date is.  The year is fun for me to look at because I kind of can't believe it's 2013 already.
  18. The time has to be synchronized with atomic time over the internet
  19. I need to be able to customize the list of time servers because I have a few that I prefer to use that I had to add in myself
  20. I'd like to simultaneously have an analog clock on my desktop, just like the Windows 7 clock Gadget
  21. I need the OS to be extremely and easily customizable
  22. Installing software needs to be easy, just like it is in Windows: open the installer, click Next, wait, and it's done.
  23. It needs to be an easy transition from Windows
  24. It needs to be easy to do a dual-boot with Windows 7, as well as being easy to remove if I don't like it for some reason
  25. I can currently open any pinned item on the Taskbar by pressing Windows Key + 1, or +2, or +3, etc, all the way up to +0 for the 10th item on the Taskbar (starting from the left).  I need to keep this ability.
  26. I'm all about keyboard shortcuts.
  27. I love the Windows 7 Start Menu search where I can instantly pull up and open any file that exists on my drives by simply typing and pressing Enter to open.  I also love how there's no delay between keystrokes:  each new keystroke drives the search results just like it's quickly reading from a text-only file.
  28. I have 618 wallpapers that I have going in the Desktop Slide Show.  I'd like something very similar to this where I can easily customize nearly all aspects of its behavior - including the transition time, the type of transition, how long each wallpaper stays up, etc.\
  29. I use a tiny app called PureText that allows me to paste formatted text as plain text.  This means I don't have to paste it into Notepad first and then copy that text just to make it plain.  I need to keep this ability.

 

 

That's really all I can think of right now.  I know it's a long list, but this post is the only effort I've ever put into researching or looking into this so far.  I mean, I literally created this post before doing anything else because the existence of this thread will make it easier for me to follow through and at least try Linux (or Unix if it's recommended).

 

So, what I'm looking to find out is:  can I make the switch and keep everything in this list?  If so, then which Linux (or Unix?) do you recommend that might make me the happiest?

 

Thank you, everyone.  I'm looking forward to getting into this!

 

 

 

-Tim

 

P.S.  I have an 8GB bootable USB flash drive that has 5.96 GB free.  :)

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Well I'm not a huge fan of linux nor super well versed in it but as far as I know thous older windows programs should be usable with wine. Other programs well just look through program manager/Application Manager what ever it happens to be called in that distros. One important thing to remember is that installing software on linux is easy but it does not work like windows. You don't go to the web and download a exe and run it. Instead on linux you pretty much always go through the package manager or software manager and just find the program you want and click install and linux does the res.

Before you start reinstalling stuff my advice would be to run linux on a virtual machine on win7. That way you can quickly test different distros and see what you like and what you don't. Personally I would recommend trying out fedora or ubuntu (ubuntu has official steam support yay). Other are probably going to mention mint. I don't like this one but you might.
    
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[*] E-mail (Outlook 2003 - I paid full price for it, so I refuse to give it up
[*] Word Processing - very rare (Word 2003 - I paid full price for it, so I refuse to give it up)

lol .. i stopped reading after that. Perhaps one day you may see those were ill advised purchases. 2003? lol. "I paid full price for flight simulator 95 and refuse to give it up." rolleyes.gif

Maybe download a live cd and try it out. But you sound like you enjoy the microsoft-lock-in way too much, I wouldn't bother spending much energy towards discussing it further.

Can linux do everything you listed? Probably, in one way or another, yes. It can do a lot of things better, heck, google docs is better than WORD 2003. smile.gif Will you have the energy / patience / competency to pull it off and be content vs clicking your installers? Probably not. It's a different paradigm, w/o understanding the principles of the OS design and concepts it it's not worth getting into. If you don't write code you most likely will never need to look at it.
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watching this thread. been wondering about linux myself.
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Well I'm not a huge fan of linux nor super well versed in it but as far as I know thous older windows programs should be usable with wine. Other programs well just look through program manager/Application Manager what ever it happens to be called in that distros. One important thing to remember is that installing software on linux is easy but it does not work like windows. You don't go to the web and download a exe and run it. Instead on linux you pretty much always go through the package manager or software manager and just find the program you want and click install and linux does the res.

Before you start reinstalling stuff my advice would be to run linux on a virtual machine on win7. That way you can quickly test different distros and see what you like and what you don't. Personally I would recommend trying out fedora or ubuntu (ubuntu has official steam support yay). Other are probably going to mention mint. I don't like this one but you might.

 

Thank you for taking the time to reply.  I can tell that everything you said will be helpful.

 

 

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lol .. i stopped reading after that. Perhaps one day you may see those were ill advised purchases. 2003? lol. "I paid full price for flight simulator 95 and refuse to give it up." rolleyes.gif

Maybe download a live cd and try it out. But you sound like you enjoy the microsoft-lock-in way too much, I wouldn't bother spending much energy towards discussing it further.

Can linux do everything you listed? Probably, in one way or another, yes. It can do a lot of things better, heck, google docs is better than WORD 2003. smile.gif Will you have the energy / patience / competency to pull it off and be content vs clicking your installers? Probably not. It's a different paradigm, w/o understanding the principles of the OS design and concepts it it's not worth getting into. If you don't write code you most likely will never need to look at it.

 

Thank you for wasting your time (yes, I said your time).

 

I hope the rest of my replies are a lot more helpful and a lot more respectful than this.

 

Please, everyone:  I'm serious about this.  I want serious replies.  I want people who want to take the time to help.  If you don't have the patience to help me out and to patiently show me the way so that I can be just as happy with Linux as you are, then don't reply.  It's as simple as that.  I am absolutely not interested in playing the stupid game that lloyd mcclendon is obviously playing here.  We are all equals here.  If you want to treat me as an inferior, then please stay away.  Treat me as an equal so that we can have fun with getting me to make the switch and to be just as happy with Linux as you are!

 

Thank you.

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Well I'm not a huge fan of linux nor super well versed in it but as far as I know thous older windows programs should be usable with wine. Other programs well just look through program manager/Application Manager what ever it happens to be called in that distros. One important thing to remember is that installing software on linux is easy but it does not work like windows. You don't go to the web and download a exe and run it. Instead on linux you pretty much always go through the package manager or software manager and just find the program you want and click install and linux does the res.


Before you start reinstalling stuff my advice would be to run linux on a virtual machine on win7. That way you can quickly test different distros and see what you like and what you don't. Personally I would recommend trying out fedora or ubuntu (ubuntu has official steam support yay). Other are probably going to mention mint. I don't like this one but you might.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.  I can tell that everything you said will be helpful.

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lol .. i stopped reading after that. Perhaps one day you may see those were ill advised purchases. 2003? lol. "I paid full price for flight simulator 95 and refuse to give it up." rolleyes.gif


Maybe download a live cd and try it out. But you sound like you enjoy the microsoft-lock-in way too much, I wouldn't bother spending much energy towards discussing it further.


Can linux do everything you listed? Probably, in one way or another, yes. It can do a lot of things better, heck, google docs is better than WORD 2003. smile.gif Will you have the energy / patience / competency to pull it off and be content vs clicking your installers? Probably not. It's a different paradigm, w/o understanding the principles of the OS design and concepts it it's not worth getting into. If you don't write code you most likely will never need to look at it.

Thank you for wasting your time (yes, I said your time).

I hope the rest of my replies are a lot more helpful and a lot more respectful than this.

Please, everyone:  I'm serious about this.  I want serious replies.  I want people who want to take the time to help.  If you don't have the patience to help me out and to patiently show me the way so that I can be just as happy with Linux as you are, then don't reply.  It's as simple as that.  I am absolutely not interested in playing the stupid game that lloyd mcclendon is obviously playing here.  We are all equals here.  If you want to treat me as an inferior, then please stay away.  Treat me as an equal so that we can have fun with getting me to make the switch and to be just as happy with Linux as you are!

Thank you.

In his defense, from reading his post ... I'll rephrase his intented message as I understood it:

You're expecting Linux to do things it wasn't designed to do. Linux has a different program set available to it. You will have to give up certain functionalities and certain habits to adapt to it. Linux is mostly used for those seeking to customize their OS to a greater extent, to have more control over their workspace. If Windows 7 is working for you, and you are used to it, there is no reason to change. Linux will take more effort to get used to, and you will encounter problems when transferring your setup from Windows to Linux. Certain products won't work, and that's a reality.

To answer your original list of questions, no, not everything will work. I haven't looked at each individual item, but I know Linux is picky and there are many programs that will require extra effort to be ported, or won't work at all.

If you want an all-in-one, ready-to-go solution, Linux isn't the option for you.

I tried to not be condescending and explain it as it is. In retort, what is your reason for wanting to switch to Linux?
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First and foremost: LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS. DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE.
I'll be back with a better reply to this, but in short - if you want to transition to Linux, be open to some change maybe. Office 2003 should work perfect in Wine, but consider LibreOffice as it is newer, faster, and more future-proof. Most of your other questions and expectations are either easily attainable, a given or better in the Linux world - for example, installers don't even exist in Linux, you don't use them. Instead of:
  1. Go to Program X's website
  2. Download Installer for Program X
  3. Run installer for Program X
  4. Click Next
  5. Choose install Location for Program X
  6. Click Next
  7. Check I Agree
  8. Click Install
  9. Wait
  10. Click Finish
  11. Use application

The process becomes (in guiland)
  1. Open Software Center (or package manager frontend)
  2. Search Program X
  3. Select Program X
  4. Click Install
  5. Type Password
  6. Wait
  7. Use Program X

And in terminal land you can simply
  1. pacman -S (yum, apt-get whatever) Program X
  2. type password and hit enter
  3. wait
  4. use Program X

It is easily configurable to make ALL pasting plain-text in Linux. Its also possible to have two paste commands (Ctrl-V and Ctrl-Shift-V or Meta-V for regular and plain-text paste, respectively)
    
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but ... you're really not equal in terms of subject matter knowledge here, so I think it's a perfectly fair reply. If I came off as condecending I apologize, but it was meant to bring a reality check into the picture. Just because "you heard linux is faster" doesn't mean you have a good need to become a linux user through and through. Like I said, download a live CD and try it out... but if you've never ran "make" before there's really not much reason to. thumb.gif


just as a preview of the non-clicky-nexty type things you could be faced with, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml or https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide

How often do you use cmd on windows?

Again I think the best next step for you would just to be to download the linux mint live CD and spend some time with it.
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In his defense, from reading his post ... I'll rephrase his intented message as I understood it:

You're expecting Linux to do things it wasn't designed to do. Linux has a different program set available to it. You will have to give up certain functionalities and certain habits to adapt to it. Linux is mostly used for those seeking to customize their OS to a greater extent, to have more control over their workspace. If Windows 7 is working for you, and you are used to it, there is no reason to change. Linux will take more effort to get used to, and you will encounter problems when transferring your setup from Windows to Linux. Certain products won't work, and that's a reality.

To answer your original list of questions, no, not everything will work. I haven't looked at each individual item, but I know Linux is picky and there are many programs that will require extra effort to be ported, or won't work at all.

If you want an all-in-one, ready-to-go solution, Linux isn't the option for you.

I tried to not be condescending and explain it as it is. In retort, what is your reason for wanting to switch to Linux?

 

Thank you.  This is what I'm looking for.  After all, this is all 100% foreign to me, so I need people who are patient (people like you).

 

It's food for thought that you say that there may be no reason to change if Windows 7 is working for me and I'm used to it.  I guess my reason for wanting to try Linux is I heard it's way faster and plus it's something new to bring into my life.  It might be something new and exciting and fun to do every day for a while.  Not only with setting it up, but with learning it and getting used to it and just everything that seems to go with using it.

 

However, and I will admit that I know what I'm about to really say here, I have no need or desire (that I know of at this present time) to customize my OS to a greater extent and/or to have more control over my workspace.  This right here may mean the end of this thread.  hehehe  I don't know yet.

 

Thank you again, though.

 

 

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First and foremost: LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS. DON'T EXPECT IT TO BE.
I'll be back with a better reply to this, but in short - if you want to transition to Linux, be open to some change maybe. Office 2003 should work perfect in Wine, but consider LibreOffice as it is newer, faster, and more future-proof. Most of your other questions and expectations are either easily attainable, a given or better in the Linux world - for example, installers don't even exist in Linux, you don't use them. Instead of:
  1. Go to Program X's website
  2. Download Installer for Program X
  3. Run installer for Program X
  4. Click Next
  5. Choose install Location for Program X
  6. Click Next
  7. Check I Agree
  8. Click Install
  9. Wait
  10. Click Finish
  11. Use application

The process becomes (in guiland)
  1. Open Software Center (or package manager frontend)
  2. Search Program X
  3. Select Program X
  4. Click Install
  5. Type Password
  6. Wait
  7. Use Program X

And in terminal land you can simply
  1. pacman -S (yum, apt-get whatever) Program X
  2. type password and hit enter
  3. wait
  4. use Program X

It is easily configurable to make ALL pasting plain-text in Linux. Its also possible to have two paste commands (Ctrl-V and Ctrl-Shift-V or Meta-V for regular and plain-text paste, respectively)

 

Wow.  This is an awesome reply.  Thank you!  I see now why many prefer to use the terminal!

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but ... you're really not equal in terms of subject matter knowledge here, so I think it's a perfectly fair reply. If I came off as condecending I apologize, but it was meant to bring a reality check into the picture. Just because "you heard linux is faster" doesn't mean you have a good need to become a linux user through and through. Like I said, download a live CD and try it out... but if you've never ran "make" before there's really not much reason to. thumb.gif

 

Yes, it was very condescending and I still don't appreciate it.  Your first response leaves a pretty sour taste in my mouth.  I apologize, but that's just where I'm at.  I thought Linux users were more community-minded people.  You know, friendly, more patient, etc.  I went into this with the hopes that everyone would be happy to see me being open to making the switch, and thus would jump at the chance to "save" me.  Instead, you came along and you basically made fun of me because of some of the things I said in my original post, and it was uncalled for.  You clearly don't want to help because you didn't even read my entire post (that's what you said), so why did you reply?

 

I'm just trying to figure this out so that I don't end up with hard feelings here.

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