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Unfortunately, both types of users are in the Linux community and there are users like myself who fail into a gray area. Some users will hold your hand every step of the way, and can even be too friendly... some are elitists and think if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be trying Linux and there are a lot of users who are gray about it and help in some cases and don't in others.
    
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Unfortunately, both types of users are in the Linux community and there are users like myself who fail into a gray area. Some users will hold your hand every step of the way, and can even be too friendly... some are elitists and think if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be trying Linux and there are a lot of users who are gray about it and help in some cases and don't in others.


That's actually good to know.  Thank you!

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"some are elitists and think if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be trying Linux "

^ yeah, when someone comes in freezing cold initially sometimes I really do have that mentality. There's really nothing I can do about it, it's just the way I'm wired, any chance I get to be an elite snob I jump at it. cheers.gif We've already tried adjusting that in this forum a few times. smile.gif elite snobbery .. i just like the sound of that


But if someone can demonstrate that they are indeed serious about extending themselves and doing some hard work to learn about *nix (whether they ultimately decide to continue with it or not), I'm happy to help their quest for knowledge. I guess I should just avoid the "never used linux" or "ubuntu install help" type threads from now on perhaps.smile.gif


But in all seriousness, if you don't write code or host services etc, I can't imagine why anyone actually would use linux. Yes it is the best OS in my opinion, but when it comes down to it, for the "typical computer user" type of usage, linux really does still very much suck in a lot of ways, and this just leads to negative press and poor perception, when most of it is not properly grounded to begin with. For me, it's great. For most of my family, not at all. I've tried that, there has to be an underlying need or desire to learn about nix and is inner workings if you actually want to get anything out of it, because otherwise, it pretty much sucks.smile.gif
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Libreoffice word count/ etc. always worked fine for me. In fact, overall in UI design and layout it is almost identical to pre-2010 office versions.

As for compiz, I can vouch for it- I'm currently using it in both my Linux installs, inside gnome with LMDE and as a stand alone in arch.
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"some are elitists and think if you can't figure it out you shouldn't be trying Linux "

^ yeah, when someone comes in freezing cold initially sometimes I really do have that mentality. There's really nothing I can do about it, it's just the way I'm wired, any chance I get to be an elite snob I jump at it. cheers.gif We've already tried adjusting that in this forum a few times. smile.gif elite snobbery .. i just like the sound of that


But if someone can demonstrate that they are indeed serious about extending themselves and doing some hard work to learn about *nix (whether they ultimately decide to continue with it or not), I'm happy to help their quest for knowledge. I guess I should just avoid the "never used linux" or "ubuntu install help" type threads from now on perhaps.smile.gif


But in all seriousness, if you don't write code or host services etc, I can't imagine why anyone actually would use linux. Yes it is the best OS in my opinion, but when it comes down to it, for the "typical computer user" type of usage, linux really does still very much suck in a lot of ways, and this just leads to negative press and poor perception, when most of it is not properly grounded to begin with. For me, it's great. For most of my family, not at all. I've tried that, there has to be an underlying need or desire to learn about nix and is inner workings if you actually want to get anything out of it, because otherwise, it pretty much sucks.smile.gif

Have you tried any buntu or even any debian/fedora type distro recently? I just aay that because I know your a Gentoo user and using that would be completely different then using Mint or the likes.
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^ yeah, when someone comes in freezing cold initially sometimes I really do have that mentality. There's really nothing I can do about it, it's just the way I'm wired, any chance I get to be an elite snob I jump at it. cheers.gif We've already tried adjusting that in this forum a few times. smile.gif elite snobbery .. i just like the sound of that


But if someone can demonstrate that they are indeed serious about extending themselves and doing some hard work to learn about *nix (whether they ultimately decide to continue with it or not), I'm happy to help their quest for knowledge. I guess I should just avoid the "never used linux" or "ubuntu install help" type threads from now on perhaps.smile.gif


But in all seriousness, if you don't write code or host services etc, I can't imagine why anyone actually would use linux. Yes it is the best OS in my opinion, but when it comes down to it, for the "typical computer user" type of usage, linux really does still very much suck in a lot of ways, and this just leads to negative press and poor perception, when most of it is not properly grounded to begin with. For me, it's great. For most of my family, not at all. I've tried that, there has to be an underlying need or desire to learn about nix and is inner workings if you actually want to get anything out of it, because otherwise, it pretty much sucks.smile.gif

 

Omg, interesting.  Can you show me some examples that demonstrate how, for the typical computer user, Linux "really does still very much suck in a lot of ways"?

 

The most interesting point you made is, "there has to be an underlying need or desire to learn about *nix and its inner works if you actually want to get anything out of it because otherwise, it pretty much sucks".  I believe I don't (at least not yet), so should I take heed and reconsider?

 

 

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Have you tried any buntu or even any debian/fedora type distro recently? I just aay that because I know your a Gentoo user and using that would be completely different then using Mint or the likes.

 

Oh.  Interesting question that you asked him.  What are the differences, as far as I might be concerned?


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i dont write code, or program, just minecraft (planetside 2 as well when i get better Internet on the 7th) and go on ocn and mint is fine for that and everyone in my family.
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Gentoo Linux is quite complicated, and so is ArchLinux and Slackware - in comparison to the likes of Ubuntu and Linux Mint - one huge example is software configuration and management. In the case of Arch, Gentoo and Slack (though there are distributions based on all 3 that come with preconfigured setups) there isn't a default desktop, in fact your first boot to the installed system is to a command line interface - just like computers that use DOS as their operating system. From there you have to install all of the software you wish to use. Including things like window managers and decorators - things that are stock on distributions like Ubuntu, Linux Mint - and are likewise already present in a default install of Windows and OS X. Another good example of this is that unlike Linux Mint and Ubuntu, Gentoo and the like don't have the new "marketplace" style gui frontends that are becoming popular. In those OS's its kind of like Android or iOS - you open the marketplace, and search for the app and install it. It comes with a neat description and pictures and user reviews and ratings. The old way being that it just comes with a description, and the interface isn't as friendly looking.
    
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But in all seriousness, if you don't write code or host services etc, I can't imagine why anyone actually would use linux. Yes it is the best OS in my opinion, but when it comes down to it, for the "typical computer user" type of usage, linux really does still very much suck in a lot of ways, and this just leads to negative press and poor perception, when most of it is not properly grounded to begin with. For me, it's great. For most of my family, not at all. I've tried that, there has to be an underlying need or desire to learn about nix and is inner workings if you actually want to get anything out of it, because otherwise, it pretty much sucks.smile.gif

Not sure how you get this idea. I've had my grandparents using Linux since 2008 just fine. They even think for what they do ( general stuff, emails, browsing, word, etc ) that it much easier than Windows. Along with them not having to worry about viruses or such, and it made their slightly older computer quite snappy. I converted my brother and mother 2 years ago and they've not had an issue since.

I can agree that some people have bad experiences, and thus give it a bad rep, but you can't account user error with the operating system. I know a few people ( regulars at my friends shop ) that bring their laptop in with Windows completely trashed. Windows is, just as user unfriendly as Linux. And with Ubuntu/Mint's installers, even installing it is easier than Windows.

Other than that, there's nothing wrong with it at all. It's lighter than Windows, which means it can make quite a few older machines snappier again. It's free ( monetary and freedom ), not only does it not cost you $200 to update, for those who are interested in learning and customization, there's no better place. There's little maintenance needed. You don't have to manually update programs as that's all done for you, and Ubuntu and Mint even tell you when there are updates available and it's a password and 1 click away. No viruses to worry about ( at least, not many, and not unless you know exactly where to look ). Want software? Open up the software manager and look for it. No more traveling the vast endlessness of the internet.
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Gentoo Linux is quite complicated, and so is ArchLinux and Slackware - in comparison to the likes of Ubuntu and Linux Mint - one huge example is software configuration and management. In the case of Arch, Gentoo and Slack (though there are distributions based on all 3 that come with preconfigured setups) there isn't a default desktop, in fact your first boot to the installed system is to a command line interface - just like computers that use DOS as their operating system. From there you have to install all of the software you wish to use. Including things like window managers and decorators - things that are stock on distributions like Ubuntu, Linux Mint - and are likewise already present in a default install of Windows and OS X. Another good example of this is that unlike Linux Mint and Ubuntu, Gentoo and the like don't have the new "marketplace" style gui frontends that are becoming popular. In those OS's its kind of like Android or iOS - you open the marketplace, and search for the app and install it. It comes with a neat description and pictures and user reviews and ratings. The old way being that it just comes with a description, and the interface isn't as friendly looking.

 

This makes me think of the differences between home-built computers and pre-builts (but highly-customizable pre-builts lol).

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