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lol @ nintendo.... seems to me the ps4 will be the winner between the two consoles (like last time) If I have to pay for games I sure as hell ain't going to pay for online play... party chat is very minor in the huge world of online gaming when it comes to consoles... I wonder if microsoft is going to put out another HeatBox 360 lol tongue.gif

and where do you come up conclusion that ps3 was the better console over the 360, because you cant afford to pay $40 a year for xbl membership, ive never seen a ps3 and any competitive mlg gaming events and other similar events.. i beg to differ that the ps3 was the winner thumb.gif
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Just as there's articles saying being first one out the gate is the key to a win, there's just as many saying the opposite. I strongly remember reading when the ps3 was announced people saying that due to the extra time to polish it off after comparing it to xbox then it's a guaranteed win.
To me its all just speculation, saying it's changing momentum is fine but it's just one of countless aspects that contribute to which console gets more successful.
I am curious though, is it not possible for Microsoft to have a presentation also and announce their launch before Sony since all Sony said was "Holidays 2013" afaik anyway.
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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

Just wondering.

What is stopping these consoles from literally becoming the "living room PC" that people have been talking about so much recently?

What's to stop an x86 machine like the PS4 from having a fully functioning web browser, an "app store" for downloading apps to customise the content you use/receive (like PS3s BBC iPlayer app/360s SKY TV, facebook, lastfm etc apps) and mild productivity abilities (connect a Bluetooth keyboard+trackpad combo and you're go to go)?

Wouldn't that be a big opportunity?

(and yes, as far as I've seen, Nintendo are going to be somewhat irrelevant very soon unless Sony/MS fail to make their offerings worthwhile)

Profit ?

Resources ?

Purpose ?

Some of the televisions are already supporting browsers and application system, so you can check weather, or local news etc. I'm sure Sony planned or planning what you said but for it's TVs, not for the consoles.

If they're going to put toooo much stuff in a console;

1. Their usage,, data can push the limit of the console (aka multitasking)

2. People wont be bothered with such applications since they are buying a console to play games not checking news or using browser.

So;

If you want to use a browser ? Buy a Sony tablet.

If you want to use a browser, check news check weather cast from one thing ? Buy a Sony TV.

If you want to play PS4 games while your living room/ console's room is occupied by evil family members ? Buy a Vita

Profit my friend, profit.

That's why your dishwasher or other stuff is going under test for 10k hours and in the end you're getting a device which was used for 10k hours, so after warranty you have to pay s*itload of money to repair or buy new one. That's why every 3 month we see new iphone.
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Profit ?

Resources ?

Purpose ?

Some of the televisions are already supporting browsers and application system, so you can check weather, or local news etc. I'm sure Sony planned or planning what you said but for it's TVs, not for the consoles.

If they're going to put toooo much stuff in a console;

1. Their usage,, data can push the limit of the console (aka multitasking)

2. People wont be bothered with such applications since they are buying a console to play games not checking news or using browser.

So;

If you want to use a browser ? Buy a Sony tablet.

If you want to use a browser, check news check weather cast from one thing ? Buy a Sony TV.

If you want to play PS4 games while your living room/ console's room is occupied by evil family members ? Buy a Vita

Profit my friend, profit.

That's why your dishwasher or other stuff is going under test for 10k hours and in the end you're getting a device which was used for 10k hours, so after warranty you have to pay s*itload of money to repair or buy new one. That's why every 3 month we see new iphone.

So consoles are the only product that companies are refusing to make an all in one product? Not everyone has a Sony Smart tv, but if you buy a PS4 then you still use Sony's software for browsing and such which is better for them than you using the one on their competitors tv.
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So consoles are the only product that companies are refusing to make an all in one product? Not everyone has a Sony Smart tv, but if you buy a PS4 then you still use Sony's software for browsing and such which is better for them than you using the one on their competitors tv.

Possible, we dont know what PS4 got under the hood or as software what are it's capabilities. I'm talking about the profit. If you're putting everything in a one device, people wont need to buy your other products, simple.

That's why Sony (maybe) never turn PS4 to something which will take PC's place or take it's functionalities and put them in use in your living room. We might have a browser but it wont be easy to use, or 'ergonomic' like PC or a tablet. It'd be waste of resources, and you're actually creating your own competitor. Software is the easy part.

I know some people who bought Sony Smart TV just because they'll use it with PS3 and have doubts about 'compatibility' (in fact PS3 works OK in every TV, they bought it) See the problem in here ? Most of consumers simply dont have enough information about what they're buying, so if Sony separate stuff, they're gonna buy tablettes, they're gonna buy TVs, they're gonna buy a console in addition to these.

It's simple actually, same deal with DLCs... We have DLCs, DLCs which came in disc because of the same thing; profit.
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The PS3 had a basic web browser, I'm sure the PS4 will be more advanced. PS3 also has netflix and amazon prime apps...

You have to remember that internet was an add-on for the PS2, and was barely used back then. The PS3\Xbox360 were the first consoles in this new era of internet dominance. I bet these next gen consoles will take the importance of the internet into account much more.

I think the segregation of features for profit conspiracy theory is insane tongue.gif. All that would do is make Sony loose money if MS makes their console have better web/media features.
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Launching first means nothing if xbox can launch cheaper.
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The PS3 had a basic web browser, I'm sure the PS4 will be more advanced. PS3 also has netflix and amazon prime apps...

You have to remember that internet was an add-on for the PS2, and was barely used back then. The PS3\Xbox360 were the first consoles in this new era of internet dominance. I bet these next gen consoles will take the importance of the internet into account much more.

I think the segregation of features for profit conspiracy theory is insane tongue.gif. All that would do is make Sony loose money if MS makes their console have better web/media features.

But IF they'll be agreed about it, not putting every thing in their consoles, so people have to buy devices separately for their needs... They agreed on that like a cartel ?

Apple and Samsung were competitors but Apple continued to buy it's hardware from Samsung for a time..

Let the speculation begin !
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post #19 of 49
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Possible, we dont know what PS4 got under the hood or as software what are it's capabilities. I'm talking about the profit. If you're putting everything in a one device, people wont need to buy your other products, simple.

That's why Sony (maybe) never turn PS4 to something which will take PC's place or take it's functionalities and put them in use in your living room. We might have a browser but it wont be easy to use, or 'ergonomic' like PC or a tablet. It'd be waste of resources, and you're actually creating your own competitor. Software is the easy part.

I know some people who bought Sony Smart TV just because they'll use it with PS3 and have doubts about 'compatibility' (in fact PS3 works OK in every TV, they bought it) See the problem in here ? Most of consumers simply dont have enough information about what they're buying, so if Sony separate stuff, they're gonna buy tablettes, they're gonna buy TVs, they're gonna buy a console in addition to these.

It's simple actually, same deal with DLCs... We have DLCs, DLCs which came in disc because of the same thing; profit.

It goes both ways, Buy a PS4 and dont have to buy an Acer Tablet etc. Companies are making universal devices that do as much as they can because people want an all in one product. Your a minority in saying you dont want that because it's not as advance. Most people don't need advanced web browsers. They just want simple things that simply work.
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Nintendo makes funny consoles, funny games, they're good if you have friends to play with. Apart from this, if you're gonna hardcore, get PS, XBOX or PC.

Funny consoles??, funny games??, Hardcore?? what is that?, fanboys are hilarious lachen.gif
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