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I recently bought and built my new rig, an Evga Z77 FTW with a shiny new 3570K, and a 7970 to put the cherry on-top.

I am currently reading as much as I can each day about all the stuff I can do and press and play with and look at, all the fun stuffs.

And I have come to some questions:
=Overall
- How do we measure CPU stability?
- Is there a typo; 1155 vs 1156? Who came first, will 1156 brackets fit 1155 brackets?
- Is there a list of what each V[core, dimm, droop, drop, etc] means and feeds?
- Anyway to find exactly what each option in the Z77 BIOS does?
- Is there an overall diagram/pictorial/tutorial of the basics of overclocking and what you are doing. I need something a little more in depth than "you make it faster by changing the multiplier" but something less in-depth than "After we have finished the gallium arsenide doping process for the contacts we then move on to testing the current B value of the magnetic field produced by the pins, as to make sure we can increase our clock by .0015%"

=Memory
- Why does it seem this Z77 can only handle two DIMMs and not 4?
- XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile; right?), are these on the DIMM and I must load them into BIOS? What are they really for? I saw another acronym with this SDP or SPD? What is that?

=GPU
- Is there anything I need to set on the board when installing a new card? Is there anything a manf might tell me to set before I install their boards?


So there is a base clock (for the Z77 100Mhz?) and then there are multipliers which increase the clock speed for certain system components (CPU, Mem, etc). Where is all this info stored and read from? The BIOS I would take it?

When the BIOS load we do it like this. Load the Basic Input Output System (what happens in here), do the Power On Self Test, load the little program that helps load the OS (is that all this little program does?).
When overclocking say I increase the speeds till I am at the best I can do, then I go a little further and cannot boot into windows. This means that I failed the POST? I think because in the POST is where the board checks to see if it can run at the current BIOS settings?



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=Overall
- How do we measure CPU stability?

Prime 95 and Intel Burn test
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- Is there a typo; 1155 vs 1156? Who came first, will 1156 brackets fit 1155 brackets?

They should be fine, the 1156 chipset came out first but I believe the majority of brackets will wit the 1155 chipset
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- Is there a list of what each V[core, dimm, droop, drop, etc] means and feeds?

Yes, Vcore is the core voltage sent to the CPU, DIMM is the "Double Inline Memory Module" which is your memory. VDROOP is the droop or lowering of voltage on your CPU during idle tasks I think it is. The rest of your questions just post and we'll help biggrin.gif
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- Anyway to find exactly what each option in the Z77 BIOS does?

Read the manual, I know it sounds rude but it is seriously the best way to learn about your motherboard, if you have question about what you've read, again post it up here and we'll be happy to help biggrin.gif
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- Is there an overall diagram/pictorial/tutorial of the basics of overclocking and what you are doing. I need something a little more in depth than "you make it faster by changing the multiplier" but something less in-depth than "After we have finished the gallium arsenide doping process for the contacts we then move on to testing the current B value of the magnetic field produced by the pins, as to make sure we can increase our clock by .0015%"

no there isn't i'm afraid, the best way to explain it is "Take a car, tweak the engine until it's so tight and so fast it's about to explode" That's what overclocking it, it's not buying the best to be fast, it's buying something that's good and making it fast
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=Memory
- Why does it seem this Z77 can only handle two DIMMs and not 4?

It's not a great motherboard tbh, there were much better options out there for you
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- XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile; right?), are these on the DIMM and I must load them into BIOS? What are they really for? I saw another acronym with this SDP or SPD? What is that?

SPD is the timings if I remember rightly or it's got something to do with the way it reads memory.
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=GPU
- Is there anything I need to set on the board when installing a new card? Is there anything a manf might tell me to set before I install their boards?

No there isn't, 90% of kit today is plug and play, the other 10% is normally server hardware you're trying to get to run on a standard motherboard
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So there is a base clock (for the Z77 100Mhz?) and then there are multipliers which increase the clock speed for certain system components (CPU, Mem, etc). Where is all this info stored and read from? The BIOS I would take it?

The base clock on the newer processors is set to 100Mhz and this shouldn't be changed, this was so intel could make it so that their "Unlocked" processors could cost more, they were sick of people getting the i7 920 which was £200 when it got released and making it faster than their £800 processor.
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When the BIOS load we do it like this. Load the Basic Input Output System (what happens in here), do the Power On Self Test, load the little program that helps load the OS (is that all this little program does?).

The BIOS doesn't load in that fashion anymore since the release of the UEFI BIOS, the UEFI BIOS can detect what's currently plugged in and only utilises those devices, therefore decreasing loading time. The power on self test I believe is a quick check of your memory and processor etc, not 100% on that one though.
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When overclocking say I increase the speeds till I am at the best I can do, then I go a little further and cannot boot into windows. This means that I failed the POST? I think because in the POST is where the board checks to see if it can run at the current BIOS settings?

Yes that's right, if you push it too far and your machine shuts down and then doesn't boot that's the overclock being unstable, in your manual for your motherboard it'll show you where the "Clear CMOS" switch is, you'll need to move that jumper, boot it up, shut it down and then move it back. Something like that anyway it's different for each brand of motherboard. You may just have a button.

Regards

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Why would you say that the Z77 is not the best option out there? From the reviews I've seen its nice? (As far as I can tell, i'm still learning) Whole board stays cool under clocks too, I've hear; again haven't done it myself and still learning.

I have read the manual, I actually did twice before I even touched the MOBO, I'm to much of a perfectionist to not read it.

I have already used the clear CMOS! When installing my new HDD I had to boot from USB to get windows repair to setup windows for the new hardware. Well I left the only boot option as that USB and couldn't do anything cause it wouldn't try to boot anything else. So I cleared CMOS and setup the HDD as the default boot.


So this XM profile, is the info for the profile on the DIMM when I buy it, do I download it, or set it up manually in the BIOS and specify options based on the box the DIMM came in?

So is there a current run down on what happens on startup? Ex. BIOS-POST-small program BIOS- does this when its run POST-does this when it runs Program-does this when it runs.?

I understand Vcore, Vdimm, the main V's. But what about obscure ones Ex. (not sure if this is actually a V) Vcvdr?


I guess what I am really asking for is a idea of how the motherboard works lol...? I mean I understand the Von Neumann architecture, logic circuits, electrical components, I/O, memory addressing and handling schemes.

I am a student of computer science so in all my classes I have touched on alot of subjects related to this. Hell I think I took a class on CPU architecture; caching systems, registers, asm (even wrote some), cache filling schemes, memory mapped I/O, etc yadda yadda.

Maybe even just an instance of one system on the board would help. Such as, how each part of the board gets power and how it handles it?


What I don't want to do is jump on a forum and read "Set this BIOS setting to X value" and totally not understand what I am doing and end up trashing a few hundred dollars. I really want to know what I can "touch" in the computer, and how I can tell it to act.


EDIT: I have read just about every single tutorial on here
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-The-Motherboard-Voltage-Regulator-Circuit/616
Edited by SkeeterSkeeter - 2/22/13 at 10:19am
    
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This: http://chiptroniks.com/tag/motherboard-repairing/ is what I am looking for. Maybe a little more geared to intel but that covers alot of it.


EDIT:
this pic explains some of the V's
http://chiptroniks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/032911_1418_3.png

this pic explains a entire Voltage supply system
http://chiptroniks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/032911_1418_7.png


Thats the stuff I'm looking for
Edited by SkeeterSkeeter - 2/22/13 at 11:05am
    
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