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Yeah unplayable rolleyes.gif Because they have worse frame latency it doesnt mean that is terrible or unplayable. When you have only 2 companies to compete with each other one will have worse frame latenncy.It will be nice amd to fix it but most of the times you can only see it at graphs

I never said unplayable, please don't put words in my mouth in your attempt to defend AMD. Honestly they aren't being pounded on hard enough for this issue, it sucks that this issue which affects me (look at my sig and see the AMD card) might take forever to fix if ever because all you people sucking up to AMD.
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I never said unplayable, please don't put words in my mouth in your attempt to defend AMD. Honestly they aren't being pounded on hard enough for this issue, it sucks that this issue which affects me (look at my sig and see the AMD card) might take forever to fix if ever because all you people sucking up to AMD.

They announced that will rewrite the memory management for gcn to fix the latency. Its not enough? And when you said they have terrible frame latency what do you mean? Worse doesnt mean terrible
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They announced that will rewrite the memory management for gcn to fix the latency. Its not enough? And when you said they have terrible frame latency what do you mean? Worse doesnt mean terrible

you wanna know what's the sad part about that? That should have been done and ready at launch, because the memory management was designed for the 6xxx series, which work differently. Over a year since launch they are fixing what should have been Day 1? Absolutely pathetic
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you wanna know what's the sad part about that? That should have been done and ready at launch, because the memory management was designed for the 6xxx series, which work differently. Over a year since launch they are fixing what should have been Day 1? Absolutely pathetic

Here
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=362631

Here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/361262-33-stuttering

Here
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/122250-13-vsync-59fps-problem-this

May i go on?

Sadly nvidia are plagued too with this issues..
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Can someone with a 79xx Crossfire setup, who can actually see stuttering, increase their flip-queue size to two or three times the number of cards they have? The default flip-queue size is three, and if this is remaining with two GPUs, one GPU will be pre-rendering more frames than the other, which could well be partially responsible for the erratic frame times.

Alternately, can someone with an SLI setup reduce their max frames render ahead setting to one per GPU, or better yet, a number that isn't evenly divisible by the number of GPUs?

I'm interested to see if this noticeably affects frame times/stuttering.
Alternating between 17ms and 33ms is a lot more stuttery than alternating between 15 and 17ms, with vsync off.

Frame capping doesn't prevent tearing because virtually no monitor has a refresh rate exactly equal to any whole number. Being even slightly off actual refresh rate will give you fairly obvious tearing that creeps vertically across the screen.
It only fixes it by throwing away many frames that would otherwise be rendered.

NVIDIA's drivers are almost certainly preventing consecutive frames from being sent to the display too closely together, and/or possibly pre-rendering more frames.

It's very easy to induce horrible micro stutter, input lag and screen tearing with a HD 7970 Crossfire setup in RadeonPro. It's also easy to remove all percievable micro stutter. What I couldn't do and the reason I ditched my four lightnings was in eyefinity I could not remove screen tearing without the input lag or get get vsync to work without the input lag.

My GTX 690 and 4GB GTX 680 SLI I have now instead have no percievable input lag or screen tearing by simply clicking vsync and triple buffering in the Nvidia Control Panel, calling my framerate to 60FPS with PrecisionX and letting them do the work not games.

If anyone knows how to get it to work in eyefinty I'd love to know because the HD 7970s were a hell of a lot faster than my GTX 680s and although forcing it with RadeonPro did work it had horrible input lag and micro stutter.

I have in Battlefield 3 messed around with pre-rendered frames with my SLI and gotten very different frame times from 1 and 3. Will do again and record it.

Frame capping for me never helped screen tearing, actually increased it. With vsync it feels to me like it helps reduce input lag and reduced micro stutter.
    
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post #166 of 294
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It's very easy to induce horrible micro stutter, input lag and screen tearing with a HD 7970 Crossfire setup in RadeonPro. It's also easy to remove all percievable micro stutter. What I couldn't do and the reason I ditched my four lightnings was in eyefinity I could not remove screen tearing without the input lag or get get vsync to work without the input lag.

My GTX 690 and 4GB GTX 680 SLI I have now instead have no percievable input lag or screen tearing by simply clicking vsync and triple buffering in the Nvidia Control Panel, calling my framerate to 60FPS with PrecisionX and letting them do the work not games.

If anyone knows how to get it to work in eyefinty I'd love to know because the HD 7970s were a hell of a lot faster than my GTX 680s and although forcing it with RadeonPro did work it had horrible input lag and micro stutter.

I have in Battlefield 3 messed around with pre-rendered frames with my SLI and gotten very different frame times from 1 and 3. Will do again and record it.

Frame capping for me never helped screen tearing, actually increased it. With vsync it feels to me like it helps reduce input lag and reduced micro stutter.

Never really tried Radeon Pro. Does it for for single monitor and 2 x HD 7970s? Also Vsync if anything increases input lag not reduce it.
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Zealot you must try it. The dynamic vsync is the best thumb.gif
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I wish rude people like you that can't accept other people's opinions would leave the forum altogether.

I was agreeing with you, the stutter of CFX below 60 fps is making me motion sick.

My comment was for some of our less informed caps lock users. Sorry I could see how it was confusing.
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Never really tried Radeon Pro. Does it for for single monitor and 2 x HD 7970s? Also Vsync if anything increases input lag not reduce it.

RadeonPro works regardless of your set-up and is honestly the best and most powerful tool I think anyone with AMD cards can have.
    
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I was agreeing with you, the stutter of CFX below 60 fps is making me motion sick.

My comment was for some of our less informed caps lock users. Sorry I could see how it was confusing.

Honestly I'm sick as a dog today and in a really bad mood. I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions... redface.gif
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