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post #21 of 294
Lets not forget the scientific method here.
Scientific Inquiry denotes that hypothesis' must be able to be reproduced by others.
I really applaud the hardware monitoring methodology as opposed to the theoretical/mathematical software method but PCPER needs an external source to run the same source, perhaps even develop the same hardware for these results to carry weight.

i can't wait for the 4th installment.
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multi gpu setup has never been worth it ever

I disagree. Im running SLI 660's same price as a 7970GHz yet more performance, with no noticeable stutter. Runs great. thumb.gif
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I disagree. Im running SLI 660's same price as a 7970GHz yet more performance, with no noticeable stutter. Runs great. thumb.gif

I'm in the same bout as you, I'm about to get a fourth 7970 so it'll be the same performance as 3 titans but for 1/8th of the price biggrin.gif
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I think what really matters is the end result, and what we see on our screen with our own two eyes.
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multi gpu setup has never been worth it ever

Yeah, that's why no one has multi gpu setups...
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I suggest looking at the original 7970 cfx skyrim test from tr. Then, looking at a follow up with the 13.2 drivers.

Latency/stutter disappears, yet fps stay exactly the same.

So cfx isn't just padding stats, its a implementation problem.

thumb.gif this!


EDIT: Still an interesting read none the less, and I'm sure the method in it's self requires quite a bit of tweaking before it's ready for prime time. Thanks OP.
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My biggest beef is the use of a slo-mo camera to capture the stuttering. For the love of god, if you can't see it in real time and must use a 240fps camera to capture it, then clearly it doesn't affect what the end user actually sees.

they aren't using any camera they are using a high-end capture card coupled with enterprise SSD. very expensive hardware and a lot of labor to measure this data so I think they deserve more respect than this.
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I'm in the same bout as you, I'm about to get a fourth 7970 so it'll be the same performance as 3 titans but for 1/8th of the price biggrin.gif

Nice. Ya titan is the biggest joke ever. I was thinking of going dual 7970's but decided to wait for next gens. got two 660s to tide me over. I can max crysis 3 so Im good for now. biggrin.gif
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For almost 4 months i have not used any fps metering in games to see if i notice the difference. HD 7970 CF blows a single HD 7970 out of the water @ 1440p in some many games.
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I am so glad that this knowledge is finally being acknowledge by reputable companies and review sites. I hope the community starts supporting this stuff more, it seems like most are but you still have a few people that haven't experienced it or claim it doesn't exist.

This whole situation reminds me of the whole "input lag" on monitors argument around 5-7 years ago. You had so many people claiming it didn't exist either because they weren't sensitive to it, they never experienced it, or never actually compared a monitor with low input lag to a monitor with high input lag. Now every company measures it on their reviews and it's a very big deciding factor when buying a monitor.

The same considerations should be taken when buying a GPU. Sheer FPS is not the full story.
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Well, we'll see. The difference I saw when going from one 6950 to two felt like exactly what the frames suggested -- nearly a 100% increase in performance.

These results just make me feel as though there's something wrong with their methodology.

Of course it will be. You need to compare a SLI/CF rig getting around the same FPS as a single GPU rig to see the results. The SLI/CF will typically not seem as smooth, and sometimes even a single GPU system getting less frames will feel smoother than a SLI/CF rig getting higher frames. There are a lot of factors... drivers/games/cards/etc.

SLI/CF is not a bad purchase by any means, but if you buy two lower end cards to match or slightly beat the performance of a single GPU card... chance are your "actual" smoothness will be worse on the two cards even if the FPS claims otherwise.
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For almost 4 months i have not used any fps metering in games to see if i notice the difference. HD 7970 CF blows a single HD 7970 out of the water @ 1440p in some many games.

As it should. I just don't think some people quite understand what frame lag does. 7970s in CF are definitely superior to a single one, however if you took a single GPU and directly matched the performance of 2x 7970s then chances are the smoothness on the single GPU would seem much better. thumb.gif
Edited by Murlocke - 2/22/13 at 11:28pm
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Results are very interesting as I thought that CrossFireX is definitely better than one GPU. At least Nvidia SLI perform better.

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Quote:
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I am so glad that this knowledge is finally being acknowledge by reputable companies and review sites. I hope the community starts supporting this stuff more, it seems like most are but you still have a few people that haven't experienced it or claim it doesn't exist.

This whole situation reminds me of the whole "input lag" on monitors argument around 5-7 years ago. You had so many people claiming it didn't exist either because they weren't sensitive to it, they never experienced it, or never actually compared a monitor with low input lag to a monitor with high input lag. Now every company measures it on their reviews and it's a very big deciding factor when buying a monitor.

The same considerations should be taken when buying a GPU. Sheer FPS is not the full story.
Of course it will be. You need to compare a SLI/CF rig getting around the same FPS as a single GPU rig to see the results. The SLI/CF will typically not seem as smooth, and on sometimes even a single GPU system getting less frames will feel smoother than a SLI/CF rig getting higher frames. There are a lot of factors... drivers/games/cards/etc.

SLI/CF is not a bad purchase by any means, but if you buy two lower end cards to match or slightly beat the performance of a single GPU card... chance are your "actual" smoothness will be worse on the two cards even if the FPS claims otherwise.

Finally? CFX has been out since 2005. If there was something to be done its should already been resolved. I have tried the single GPU path man many times. Its not enough for everyone. Bought a 1440p monitor. Tried GTX580 not enough, Tried HD 6970 not enough. Moved to HD 6990 and was good enough. Got a single HD 7970 not enough. got 2 x 7970 good enough. Now even 2 x 7970 are not enough for Crysis 3. No matter how much smother single card is 30 fps with single card is pathetic. No matter how much smother it then 40-45 fps dual GPU setups both will suck unless over 60fps.
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