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+3% in performance seems tiny bit for a company idolized by some people for the price / performance whistle.gif
dear AMD, the party is over ... thanks PCPER

This really does sound like an inflammatory statement. Some people, shockingly enough, don't care about efficiency. Many people here, do not care about efficiency; that is why they overclock and overvolt - But if you do care: there are choices in the market. You don't have to be so condescending with your statements.

I am one of those people, I don't really care about efficiency when I over volt my system. When I unlock the voltage on my Lightning 680 SLIs, my power use goes up dramatically - in fact, i've measured power at the wall being near 900 watts when I use 1.3V on both of my lightning 680s. The power use is far less using stock kepler voltage though.

Do I care? No.
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this is what they want to sell at twice the price and power consumption

7970 - avg fps ~55
7970 CF - avg fps ~100 (+80%)

this is what you take home at twice the price and power consumption

7970 - avg fps ~55
7970 CF - avg fps ~57 (+3%)

+3% in performance seems tiny bit for a company idolized by some people for the price / performance whistle.gif
dear AMD, the party is over ... thanks PCPER


Yea....that's just wrong unfortunately. Cus I guess somehow magically my 3-7970s running at 120hz in bf3 is a complete lie and I have been fooled for a year?

This is why I do not like their methods. Clearly, and they should know this, there is an issue with their testing methods or assumed variables.

I'll tell you now, they are assuming you don't see the frames, when even if they are only there for a short time, your eye will see the frame.
     
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ha... ha....

You two geniuses ever think some people aren't as sensitive to this as others? Seems like a whole lot of placebo effect going around

Some people are indeed not as sensitive to this as others.

Doesn't mean the people that are shouldn't count.
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Some people are indeed not as sensitive to this as others.

Doesn't mean the people that are shouldn't count.

Some people are indeed not sensitive and denied the issue ...
AMD admit the issue > the same people have noticed major improvements in those three games that AMD has provided a fix ...
funny but i happened to read this type of comments
perhaps it is better to worry about the consistency of frametime measurament rather than the consistency of people's thinking
imo the last set of reviews gave us a lot of interesting info ... we are spending the most time time to respond to the conflicting opinions of these people rather than discuss objective data ... that's too bad.
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I'm curious as to how much one would notice the frametimes switching between 5ms and 15ms every other frame and if it actually is an issue or just numbers. Is it really something that can be noticed? Or is it just a graph that makes the AMD cards (especially cfx) look bad.

You won't. And any claims that you will are preposterous in the extreme.

Rapid switching between say 15ms and 35ms WILL certainly be noted but under 25ms? The frames are being rendered so fast, your eyes won't be able to register it.

I see what PcPer is doing. They aren't necessarily benchmarking the experience. Rather, they are taking a scientific approach to the frame metering process in order to show what is "best" rather than what will be "noticeable". This is simply a different metric that should be taken into account alongside all others. smile.gif
Edited by SKYMTL - 2/23/13 at 10:24am
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The problem that was with 12.11 was not CF Setups. It was single GPU witch has nothing to do with that they are testing. CF has had this for ages.
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Wow lots of people in denial because of personal bias...

Frame timing is important and I am glad review sites have taken on this new metric in performance.
Edited by SIDWULF - 2/23/13 at 11:01am
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You won't. And any claims that you will are preposterous in the extreme.

Rapid switching between say 15ms and 35ms WILL certainly be noted but under 25ms? The frames are being rendered so fast, your eyes won't be able to register it.

I see what PcPer is doing. They aren't necessarily benchmarking the experience. Rather, they are taking a scientific approach to the frame metering process in order to show what is "best" rather than what will be "noticeable". This is simply a different metric that should be taken into account alongside all others. smile.gif

This is precisely it. The problem lies in the idea of how to translate it to a specific gameplay experience measurement.
     
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I have been trying to tell people for years there is a problem with CFX implementation, I guess I am just very sensitive to frame rate and timings. My take on it as always been 2nd rate driver support (all they are trying to turn it around.)

SLI and Tri-SLI always felt fluid to me, Quad-SLI, CFX, Trifire, does not. I have no quad fire experience but I surmise its more of the same. SLI and Tri-SLI are probably the best driver supported I feel.
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Wow lots of people in denial because of personal bias (Owning multiple cards or an AMD card).

Frame timing is important and I am glad review sites have taken on this new metric in performance.

Denial would mean people are just lying about it. I dont think that is what is going on.

Like I said, I have experienced ms and know how bad it can be (try AC 2-3 with sli/cfx and you will know it in a second) but the problem lies when people just don't see what a statistic is showing. Whether that be dependent on the person or if there are more complex happenings going on the just lagging a frame beyond 25ms.

Mcg75 put up a good antidote on how ms can be horrible to almost perfect (skyrim 12.11 v 13.2) while maintaining fps performance. Clearly, frame lag has a huge impact, no doubt. But we should be happy for these analysis and be happy AMD is doing something about and admitting to their issues.

Hopefully the memory management update will bring consist ant frame times. I have confidence they have identified the culprit since they were able to pretty much fix skyrim.
     
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