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I know... it just doesn't seem right, but that's what I'm getting. In BF3 I play with everything on Low except mesh quality, which I have on Ultra. The FPS are fine, I get a minimum of 55 or so, but usually it's between 60 and 100 if I recall correctly. I would have to benchmark it to say for sure.

Well mesh quality (polycount), particle effects and physics in general are settings that effect the CPU the most. Try dropping that down and upping texture quality instead. Even so seams to me like you have low GPU usage due to having most GPU dependent settings set to minimum. Your CPU might not be able to do more then 55FPS minimum so turn up the graphics settings until you get 50-55FPS minimum. Your GPU load should now be much higher.
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I'm using an Asrock 970 Extreme4 with all the bs disabled (C1E, Cool n Quiet, APM, Turbo Core...) and 8GB HyperX Genesis @1866MHz.

Alright that should be good enough for an 83xx, I wouldn't expect the board to support more then a 4.5ghz overclock though, it's got a pretty good 4+1 VRM system that is heatsinked, but it's still only 4+1.
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Well mesh quality (polycount), particle effects and physics in general are settings that effect the CPU the most. Try dropping that down and upping texture quality instead. Even so seams to me like you have low GPU usage due to having most GPU dependent settings set to minimum. Your CPU might not be able to do more then 55FPS minimum so turn up the graphics settings until you get 50-55FPS minimum. Your GPU load should now be much higher.

Yes, I will lower mesh quality and see what happens, but it's not a very realistic thing to do because it's pretty much a must for spotting enemies far away (especially from jets).
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Alright that should be good enough for an 83xx, I wouldn't expect the board to support more then a 4.5ghz overclock though, it's got a pretty good 4+1 VRM system that is heatsinked, but it's still only 4+1.

I have the FX-4300 at 4.8GHz stable right now with that board.
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Man, oh man.

 

Yes, the OP has a bottleneck. My Q9550 @3.91GHz even bottlenecked my 470. It won't bottleneck in all games but at 1080P the C2Q is not sufficient for an HD 7850 in the majority. The bottleneck isn't ridiculously large but the OP should get better performance out of his card with an FX-8350 or i5 3570K.

 

The FX-4300 is a weak CPU, would have been better to get a 2500K or 3570K. And yes after 5 years you should be able to expect better performance at a lower price point. I can follow the OP in his decision. It's just that AMD didn't really advance a whole lot the last 2-3 years in performance, the Q9550 was overpriced thanks to Phenom I after all (TLB bug anyone?). Yorkfield prices dropped because of Deneb.

 

@OP

 

Maybe you can sell your FX-4300 and get an FX-8350 for the time being. It's a CPU with pretty good value for the money, especially if you can get 4.8-5G out of it (or an FX-8320 for that matter). Also post some R11.5 runs in screenshots (preferably multiple at different clock speeds). And no CineBench isn't biased towards Intel as others have falsely claimed. CineBench reflects real world FP32 performance needed for Maxon's render engine. AMD just has lower IPC vs Intel on that area. Abu Dhabi isn't that bad at all in CineBench, somewhat lacking in efficiency though.

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Yes, I will lower mesh quality and see what happens, but it's not a very realistic thing to do because it's pretty much a must for spotting enemies far away (especially from jets).
I have the FX-4300 at 4.8GHz stable right now with that board.


Yes i know, the fx-83xx will use significantly more power, and tax the vrm much harder then that fx-4300.
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1. Well, it did bottleneck me in BF3 and TF2. Rest of the games I play seemed to be fine but are less demanding and I didn't run any tests with those.

Op your completely wrong here IT DIDN'T BOTTLENECK YOU. The q9550 was the top of the line and still has more than enough juice for a single card setup like yours. You need to get that notion out of your head, also your fx at 4.8 isn't bottle necking you currently. Are you trolling or do you actually want to find a solution? Seems like you just started this thread to bash the 4300 and a bunch of bandwagoners hopped right on.
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Man, oh man.

Yes, the OP has a bottleneck. My Q9550 @3.91GHz even bottlenecked my 470. It won't bottleneck in all games but at 1080P the C2Q is not sufficient for an HD 7850 in the majority. The bottleneck isn't ridiculously large but the OP should get better performance out of his card with an FX-8350 or i5 3570K.

The FX-4300 is a weak CPU, would have been better to get a 2500K or 3570K. And yes after 5 years you should be able to expect better performance at a lower price point. I can follow the OP in his decision. It's just that AMD didn't really advance a whole lot the last 2-3 years in performance, the Q9550 was overpriced thanks to Phenom I after all (TLB bug anyone?). Yorkfield prices dropped because of Deneb.

@OP

Maybe you can sell your FX-4300 and get an FX-8350 for the time being. It's a CPU with pretty good value for the money, especially if you can get 4.8-5G out of it (or an FX-8320 for that matter). Also post some R11.5 runs in screenshots (preferably multiple at different clock speeds). And no CineBench isn't biased towards Intel as others have falsely claimed. CineBench reflects real world FP32 performance needed for Maxon's render engine. AMD just has lower IPC vs Intel on that area. Abu Dhabi isn't that bad at all in CineBench, somewhat lacking in efficiency though.

I ran a single 470 perfectly on my q9550 fine before I got my i7.

the only reason I got this i7 was for sli.
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I ran a single 470 perfectly on my q9550 fine before I got my i7.

the only reason I got this i7 was for sli.

 

Not saying you weren't wink.gif. Bottleneck implies a constraint or limiting factor in a pipelined process. You can get more out of a 470 with an i7 vs Q9550 in the majority of games/applications depending on the CPU dependency. I know that at 1200P most of the time my Q9550 was the limiting factor, except for the cases like Metro 2033 and Mafia II w/ PhysX. Then again, there are console ports and AI intensive games on the other side of the spectrum.

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Test the game at an extremely low resolution. If your framerates improve, then CPU bottleneck is not your issue. If framerates stay the same, then CPU bottleneck could be your issue. Try overclocking the CPU, if framerates improve at low resolution then the CPU is indeed the limiting factor.
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Well mesh quality (polycount), particle effects and physics in general are settings that effect the CPU the most. Try dropping that down and upping texture quality instead. Even so seams to me like you have low GPU usage due to having most GPU dependent settings set to minimum. Your CPU might not be able to do more then 55FPS minimum so turn up the graphics settings until you get 50-55FPS minimum. Your GPU load should now be much higher.

I did notice an improvement in GPU load setting everything to medium, but in BF3 multiplayer I can't really test this consistently (too much difference between maps, number of players, etc.), so I'm going to be running tests on all settings with the Crysis 2 benchmark tool (I tried it with the Crysis 1 demo, but sadly it crashes at a fixed point when I run the benchmark). I will post the results later in about two hours.
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