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Hey, seeing as how you posted that initial computer, you might not want to build yourself so I would say an NCIX computer would be good. Due to having business partners and getting deals, they can give you computers prebuilt with a warranty for nearly if not exactly the same cost as building yourself. Just saying.

Anyone agree?

 

I disagree only because the reason I joined OCN is I was told that I should come here because I was in need of help buying a new computer.  The local computer shop had custom pre-built systems; that is, they are literally 100% aftermarket built by the shop and sold as complete systems.  I had my heart set on one, but OCN saved the day and helped me build my own.  That made me fall in love with OCN and I've been here ever since.

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I disagree only because the reason I joined OCN is I was told that I should come here because I was in need of help buying a new computer.  The local computer shop had custom pre-built systems; that is, they are literally 100% aftermarket built by the shop and sold as complete systems.  I had my heart set on one, but OCN saved the day and helped me build my own.  That made me fall in love with OCN and I've been here ever since.
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ill probly have more then $700 but not really sure yet intill june hits. $700~$900 ill probly have, Ill want to get a better case for airflow, but i heard 450Watt PSU is not strong eoungh to handle what i want in the upcoming year. The HHD i will put a 1~2TB, i will put an video card that has 4GB because the game i want to play needs higher memrey in its video.. Im ok at putting pc builds together , but not good at video cards. I cant tell if whats stonger. what i need is a video tour. on video cards. The game i want to play is final fantasy XVI. they want NVIDIA cards.
I post the specs on below. I put {when i put in any changed that was not posted in changs that was posted yet for Verson 2.0}

Recommended System Specifications
Operating System Windows 7 32-bit / 64-bit *2 {windows 8 will do just fine I know that.}
Processor Intel Core i7 (2.66 GHz) or faster {I know this is wrong they changed it so may times. The I7 is a Duel-Core I think they taking about.. The Min specs. is like I3 duel-core processer. Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.3GHz Turbo) Quad-Core Desktop Processor is the one need to pl;ay the game on defult settings.}
Memory (RAM) 4 GB or more {8 GB RAM is the right amount, It will play 4GB Ram, but it will be laggy any where near high rez areas.}
Storage Install: 15 GB or more {20GB or More is Correct}
Download: 10 GB or more
Video NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460 with 768 MB VRAM or equivalent {this is not 100% right. I belive its the min. specs for it to run verson 2.0}
Sound DirectSound® compatible sound card (DirectX® 10c or higher)
Resolution 1280 × 720 or higher; 32-bit
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ill probly have more then $700 but not really sure yet intill june hits. $700~$900 ill probly have, Ill want to get a better case for airflow, but i heard 450Watt PSU is not strong eoungh to handle what i want in the upcoming year. The HHD i will put a 1~2TB, i will put an video card that has 4GB because the game i want to play needs higher memrey in its video.. Im ok at putting pc builds together , but not good at video cards. I cant tell if whats stonger. what i need is a video tour. on video cards. The game i want to play is final fantasy XVI. they want NVIDIA cards.
I post the specs on below. I put {when i put in any changed that was not posted in changs that was posted yet for Verson 2.0}

Recommended System Specifications
Operating System Windows 7 32-bit / 64-bit *2 {windows 8 will do just fine I know that.}
Processor Intel Core i7 (2.66 GHz) or faster {I know this is wrong they changed it so may times. The I7 is a Duel-Core I think they taking about.. The Min specs. is like I3 duel-core processer. Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.3GHz Turbo) Quad-Core Desktop Processor is the one need to pl;ay the game on defult settings.}
Memory (RAM) 4 GB or more {8 GB RAM is the right amount, It will play 4GB Ram, but it will be laggy any where near high rez areas.}
Storage Install: 15 GB or more {20GB or More is Correct}
Download: 10 GB or more
Video NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 460 with 768 MB VRAM or equivalent {this is not 100% right. I belive its the min. specs for it to run verson 2.0}
Sound DirectSound® compatible sound card (DirectX® 10c or higher)
Resolution 1280 × 720 or higher; 32-bit

 

I'm sorry, but you heard wrong about a 450W power supply not being enough.  The 7970 requires more power than the GTX 680, so I'll show how a quality-made 450W power supply is more than enough for a system that has one 7970 in it (I'm not saying that you would get either of these cards;  I'm just showing this for the sake of argument):

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7970_review,8.html

 

With one 7970 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 355W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so I have to add 150W for a 3570K or 3770K  overclocked to 5 GHz (I can prove it).  So with the overclocked 3570K or 3770K under full load at the same time as the 7970, the PSU would be pulling 500W from the wall outlet.  This means that if the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 500W from the wall outlet, then the computer system is pulling 425W from the PSU.

 

However, that is an unrealistically high power draw for two reasons:

 

  1. I'm saying the 3570K or 3770K is overclocked  to 5 GHz
  2. I'm saying both the 7970 and the 3570K or 3770K are under full load at the same time

 

Your actual gaming power draw would be at around 350-375W at the most.

 

Furthermore, the kind of 450W power supply I'm talking about (such as the 450W Rosewill Capstone) can easily deliver 450W continuously if it's ever needed.  Therefore, even a 425W power draw would be a walk in the park for it.  Again though, 425W is an unrealistically high power draw that would likely never happen.  Your gaming power draw will peak at roughly 375W for the most demanding video games, and your average gaming load will be 325-350W.  Considering that a quality-made 450W PSU like the Rosewill Capstone can easily deliver 450W 24/7, a power draw of 325-350W (or 375-400W?) is nothing.

 

Finally, each new generation of GPUs and CPUs requires less power than the previous, so as long as you never have more than one video card, you could have a quality-made 450W PSU "forever".  These days, a quality-made 450W is more than enough for the average system if it has just one video card in it.

 

Of course, if you were to overclock and overvolt the 7970, then I would recommend a quality-made 550W.

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I'm sorry, but you heard wrong about a 450W power supply not being enough.  The 7970 requires more power than the GTX 680, so I'll show how a quality-made 450W power supply is more than enough for a system that has one 7970 in it (I'm not saying that you would get either of these cards;  I'm just showing this for the sake of argument):

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_hd_7970_review,8.html

With one 7970 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 355W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so I have to add 150W for a 3570K or 3770K  overclocked to 5 GHz (I can prove it).  So with the overclocked 3570K or 3770K under full load at the same time as the 7970, the PSU would be pulling 500W from the wall outlet.  This means that if the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 500W from the wall outlet, then the computer system is pulling 425W from the PSU.

However, that is an unrealistically high power draw for two reasons:
  1. I'm saying the 3570K or 3770K is overclocked  to 5 GHz
  2. I'm saying both the 7970 and the 3570K or 3770K are under full load at the same time

Your actual gaming power draw would be at around 350-375W at the most.

Furthermore, the kind of 450W power supply I'm talking about (such as the 450W Rosewill Capstone) can easily deliver 450W continuously if it's ever needed.  Therefore, even a 425W power draw would be a walk in the park for it.  Again though, 425W is an unrealistically high power draw that would likely never happen.  Your gaming power draw will peak at roughly 375W for the most demanding video games, and your average gaming load will be 325-350W.  Considering that a quality-made 450W PSU like the Rosewill Capstone can easily deliver 450W 24/7, a power draw of 325-350W (or 375-400W?) is nothing.

Finally, each new generation of GPUs and CPUs requires less power than the previous, so as long as you never have more than one video card, you could have a quality-made 450W PSU "forever".  These days, a quality-made 450W is more than enough for the average system if it has just one video card in it.

Of course, if you were to overclock and overvolt the 7970, then I would recommend a quality-made 550W.

Explained like a pro thumb.gif

I would go 550W for the reasons TwoCables has put out. (overvolting GPU)
Even if your not going to do it now you might want to in the future, and since your rather new on OCN that day might come sooner then you think biggrin.gif

The build i linked on the first page has a 3570K and a 7850 2GB.
Both more then the requirements of FFVXI and under 700$
When you can stretch to 900$ you could get a better case, an SSD and upgrade to a 7950.
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I would go 550W for the reasons TwoCables has put out. (overvolting GPU)
Even if your not going to do it now you might want to in the future, and since your rather new on OCN that day might come sooner then you know biggrin.gif

The build i linked on the first page has a 3570K and a 7850 2GB.
Both more then the requirements of FFVXI and under 700$
When you can stretch to 900$ you could get a better case, an SSD and upgrade to a 7950.



Not 100% sure if im overclocking the cpu & or the GPU I probly will if my pc has any problems with the game. I picked the board so i can upgrade to an I7 quad/six -core 3.4~3.9GHz processer, I want a good Frames Per Sec so i want some thing good that i can upgrade into. . I also want 2 to 3 hard drives types. 1 SSD;60GB+ & 2 HHD:1TB+~2TB hard drives. Im not so sure on GPU i will upgrade it. For now i got to stick with something, probly the 2GB one TwoCables Mentioned, i just got to watch my $$$. Also i thought u can put an AMD GPU in an intel motherboard? unless its from GIGABTYE..
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Not 100% sure if im overclocking the cpu & or the GPU I probly will if my pc has any problems with the game. I picked the board so i can upgrade to an I7 quad/six -core 3.4~3.9GHz processer, I want a good Frames Per Sec so i want some thing good that i can upgrade into. . I also want 2 to 3 hard drives types. 1 SSD;60GB+ & 2 HHD:1TB+~2TB hard drives. Im not so sure on GPU i will upgrade it. For now i got to stick with something, probly the 2GB one TwoCables Mentioned, i just got to watch my $$$. Also i thought u can put an AMD GPU in an intel motherboard? unless its from GIGABTYE..
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Unfortunately, it's Intel CPUs in Intel motherboards, and AMD CPUs in AMD motherboards.  It always depends on the chipset.

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Not 100% sure if im overclocking the cpu & or the GPU I probly will if my pc has any problems with the game. I picked the board so i can upgrade to an I7 quad/six -core 3.4~3.9GHz processer, I want a good Frames Per Sec so i want some thing good that i can upgrade into. . I also want 2 to 3 hard drives types. 1 SSD;60GB+ & 2 HHD:1TB+~2TB hard drives. Im not so sure on GPU i will upgrade it. For now i got to stick with something, probly the 2GB one TwoCables Mentioned, i just got to watch my $$$. Also i thought u can put an AMD GPU in an intel motherboard? unless its from GIGABTYE..
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in my opinion skip getting an SSD right now and use the money for a better graphics card. an SSD is nice for boot and load times but a smaller 60Gbs SSD doesn't seem worth it with SSD prices being much lower than they were a year ago. you will have to manage what and where the applications you install and might cause a headache. i suggest you wait until you have the funds to buy a ~128Gbs SSD so you can not worry about game and application installs and just need to move your "user files" such as music, videos and documents.

its easy to "switch over". if you want to start from scratch; just disconnect everything but the SSD, install windows, turn off the computer, reconnect the HDDs and reboot. or format a ~120Gbs space for the OS and apps on the HDD and then clone it to the SSD once you buy one.

i don't know where or why you would think a gigabyte card would be different working with an intel or AMD motherboard. any AMD or nVidia graphics card will work equally fine with either. i am sure there are plenty of folks around here that can verify that.
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Originally Posted by looniam View Post

in my opinion skip getting an SSD right now and use the money for a better graphics card. an SSD is nice for boot and load times but a smaller 60Gbs SSD doesn't seem worth it with SSD prices being much lower than they were a year ago. you will have to manage what and where the applications you install and might cause a headache. i suggest you wait until you have the funds to buy a ~128Gbs SSD so you can not worry about game and application installs and just need to move your "user files" such as music, videos and documents.

its easy to "switch over". if you want to start from scratch; just disconnect everything but the SSD, install windows, turn off the computer, reconnect the HDDs and reboot. or format a ~120Gbs space for the OS and apps on the HDD and then clone it to the SSD once you buy one.

i don't know where or why you would think a gigabyte card would be different working with an intel or AMD motherboard. any AMD or nVidia graphics card will work equally fine with either. i am sure there are plenty of folks around here that can verify that.

I could do that i guess. Oh question if i have 2 HDD's can i have windows 7 on 1 & windows 8 on other? (it ask if want to run win7 or win8 at start up?)
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Originally Posted by Ichigok101 View Post


I could do that i guess. Oh question if i have 2 HDD's can i have windows 7 on 1 & windows 8 on other? (it ask if want to run win7 or win8 at start up?)

 

It depends on how you install them.  I recommend doing it this way:

 

  1. Install Windows 7 first with only the hard drive connected that you want Windows 7 on
  2. When it's finished, shut down and connect the other hard drive
  3. Now with both hard drives connected, install Windows 8 on to the other hard drive
  4. You might get a dual boot menu this way even though they're on separate drives.

 

I've never done this before, but it seems to me like it might work.

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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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