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thuban will always have a special place in my heart. it would probably be an upgrade from a phenom II hexacore to an FX83** but I honestly think It's not worth it. amd has no other direction to go and that's up. steamroller will definitely be an upgrade. I hope it would be a huge leap though. I wouldn't mind having an amd system again. I may not look like it but I'm a big amd fan girl for years biggrin.gif
 
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I have been an AMD fan, but I went Intel this time around because of the Bulldozer/Vishera situation in comparison to Intel's offerings. My next gaming PC will probably be Steamroller based and I will probably make my Intel PC a home server.

Steamroller will be better on power consumption and the decode will be a pretty big performance increase (atleast 20%). The bright side for AMD is obtaining the console market. With consoles having 8 cores, game makers will start making their games multithreaded. We have already seen it happening on a number of game engines. At 8 threads, the 8350 is comparable to the i7 except for the power consumption. That means that with the decode change it will beat the current i7's in multithreaded applications.

Of course buying Steamroller over Haswell will depend on what Intel is doing to boost multithreading performance because hyper threading doesn't cut it in comparison to AMD's modular design, and at what price range. They survive now simply because their cores perform so well to make up for hyperthreadings weakness.

When AMD went core heavy they basically made a hammer when the industry was a big mix of screws(lightly threaded apps) and nails(highly threaded apps) and told the industry they should all make nails. That almost never ends well. With the consoles and games going to heavily threaded engines, AMD will be competitive again.
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I love my 1090T. I am currently working on an AM3+ build and looking at the choices of chips out there and well steamroller has me interested its not out yet and I do not like being an early adopter for silicone. I would love to pick up another 1090t for the new build until steamroller matures a bit. I still have uses for the performance AM3 chips so no, I am not done with PHII chips yet. probably another 2-3 years until I change out the 965BE on my office computer.
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Coming from a 1090T you will see modest gains in gaming, at a comparable power draw. If you primarily use your computer for non-gaming the gains may be larger.

I did a comparison when I switch out my 1055t for an 8350 primarily because I could not find a satisfactory answer. The set-up is identical between the two excluding the windows hotfix and the cpu. Keep in mind I did not have time to do a rigorous comparison.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Benchmark:
AllBenchmark - Tiger
Shogun 2

Observation:
TSW
GW2
PS2

Wattage measured using a kill- a -watt, box only, no peripherals (monitor, speakers, etc)

Idle:

1055 - 179w

8350 stock @ 1.39 - 163w
@ 1.30 - 160w
4.7 @ 1.42 - 185w

AllBenchmark - Tiger

1055t @ 3.7 - Score 5439, CPU Physics 348, Peak Wattage 320, Avg 310

8350 @ Stock - Score 5342, CPU Physics 380, Peak Wattage 327, Avg 310

8350 @ 4.0, No Turbo, 1.30 - Score 5416, Cpu Physics 366, Peak Wattage 310, Avg 285

8350 @ 4.5, 1.39 - Score 5369, Cpu Physics 414, Peak Wattage 336, Avg 310 <---I assume this peak was because of LLC

8350 @ 4.7, 1.42 - Score 5427, Cpu Physics 471, Peak Wattage 330, Avg 310

Shogun 2, dx11, 1920 x 1080:

1055t @ 3.7 - 61.5, Peak 323w
8350 @ 4.7- 61.8, Peak 341w

GW2, Sweet Fx, 1920 x 1080, Medium to High Settings

1055t @ 3.7
Game Location- The Grove - Min Frame 26, Max Frame 34, Avg Wattage 275
Astoria - Min Frame 25, Max Frame 41, Avg Wattage 278
8350 @ 4.7
The Grove - Min Frame 29, Max Frame 48, Avg 298
Astoria - Min Frame 37, Max Frame 57, Avg 296

TSW

1055t @ 3.7 - Min Frame 28, Max Frame 45, Avg 287
8350 @ 4.7 - Min Frame 28, Max Frame 50, Avg 320

Planetside 2

1055t @ 3.7 - Min Frame 56, Max Frame 70, Avg 320
8350 - @ 4.7 - Min Frame 90, Max Frame 100, Avg 350

Conclusion

Do not expect huge increases in FPS. Overall I do feel that programs are snappier, and that games feel smoother. Is it an upgrade? Yes. Are you going to be blown away? Maybe. However, at stock I did get results roughly equivalent to my OC'd Thuban, at a lower power draw.

Edited because I was s%^&canned when I originally posted it.
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post #25 of 34
From my prospective steamroller is the way to go, currently running 1055t @ 3.6 and it is a phenom-enal processor smile.gif I do alot of high threaded work loads like video editing on Premiere Pro and MAYA 3d and this amazing processor has done an exceptional job thus far. I agree however with some of the statements of the Phenom II showing its age, especially when considering the competition, I have pondered purchasing a 3770k and with a proper overclock it would make an incredible upgrade but the platform and processor price is too steep for me atm. The logical next step for anyone with a socket AM3+ board would be to either go for an FX 8350 which is an incredible value for what it does especially for creative content workload but since AMD sort of confirmed that AM3+ socket will remain until Steamroller, it is worth the wait for the possible potential that awaits the steamroller uarch. There is very little to go on but based on leaks and rumors it will be an impressive release, 28nm fabrication process, full RCM implementation and of course the extra decode unit per module should make for a huge progression over the 8350. I truly hope so given the current status of AMD, although they have shifted focus on IGP and mobile markets as is Intel, which is not a bad thing at all when you consider Intel is making the same move and has already done so with the 3770k coupled with the underwhelming HD 4000.
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I hope so. My X4 980 is fine right now and I really prefer to stick with AMD.
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post #27 of 34
I am actually an Intel user here and have been waiting for the day I will go with an AMD chip. I'm a fan of AMD's products and certainly would buy the Steamroller if the hype is worth what it is. I hope AMD make a comeback soon. Currently have a 2500k.
post #28 of 34
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thuban will always have a special place in my heart. it would probably be an upgrade from a phenom II hexacore to an FX83** but I honestly think It's not worth it. amd has no other direction to go and that's up. steamroller will definitely be an upgrade. I hope it would be a huge leap though. I wouldn't mind having an amd system again. I may not look like it but I'm a big amd fan girl for years biggrin.gif

Lol same here thunban is special to me, I got thunban after my q6600, I lean a bit towards amd because AMD processors have a special place in my heart because I started out my pc building with a k6-2 500 mhz, may not have been as fast as a pentium 2 but it did handle most things I threw at it like a boss back in the day.

I upgraded to a 3770K over my 1090T, sold that but since I still had my 990FX board I got an fx 8350, its a pretty decent chip, it does well in gaming and honestly I don't see much of a difference between the two but when benching there is a very noticable difference and not to mention that the fps on the intel rig is a bit more 'consistent'
post #29 of 34
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We know very little about Steamroller so in all honesty maybe, maybe not.

Personally I've always looked at it this way. AMD has been pretty good to us when it comes to sockets and upgrades, though there has always been a trade off in performance compared to Intel's offerings, it is nowhere near the nightmare of a process to upgrade to a new version of one of our chips as it is for them to. In other words, having the same socket for a few years has its perks.

That being said I have no regrets going from my Phenom II 965 to an FX 8350 and neither should anyone else. Being on an extreme budget for most of the lifespan of my computer building, I can honestly say I have no problem paying $200 for Steamroller in October if it turns out to be awesome.

If you don't want to pay that, do what I've done every upgrade. Sell your old CPU on Ebay after your purchase and try to make some money back. I technically only paid $89 bucks for FX 8350 since my 965 got me $80 bucks on Ebay, and if Steamroller turns out to be everything we want it to be, I will do the same thing again.

Really, it's not like it will cost a fortune anyway. That's just my two cents though, so do as you will.

Actually if you look at it at a certain way AMD hasn't been that loyal all too lately. AMD has required AM3+ socket for FX processors (although I've heard some AM3 boards are FX compatible, most aren't), so it's not much different from Intel's strategy.

I had an AMD 870 chipset-based motherboard which was actually a pretty decent motherboard and that wasn't upgradable to FX. I was going to have to buy into a 970 or 990FX platform to upgrade.

The only reason people think AMD has been pretty good to consumers when it comes to socket and upgrading is because they let AM2 users upgrade to AM3 processors without a socket change, but that was like three-four years ago.

Intel just has that reputation because of 2009-2011 era where they went through two socket changes within a year. Socket 1366 and Socket 1156 vs just AM2 and AM3.

However since 2011, they stayed with LGA 1155 and it's upgradable all the way to the latest Ivy Bridge and while they're going to kill it this year, they're not leaving it with legacy processors, there's enough processors available for the socket and performance on all processors are going to be on top of their game for the next few years (the same situation with the LGA 1366 and 1156 sockets, the highest end processors for those sockets are still good enough for today's applications).

There's new AMD processors out now and most AMD boards from three years ago won't run FX. So it's not too different from the Intel strategy
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I am actually an Intel user here and have been waiting for the day I will go with an AMD chip. I'm a fan of AMD's products and certainly would buy the Steamroller if the hype is worth what it is. I hope AMD make a comeback soon. Currently have a 2500k.

Same here, waiting on that day, they had something with the AMD Phenom II, then... it just died off to me frown.gif
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