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@thesupersexy
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As far as RAM goes you can get higher clocked quad channel ram at the same CAS latency as the kingston, I have the Corsair Dominator GT which is 2133mhz and still at CL9.

My understanding was that the i7-3930K is only compatible with up to 1600MHz memory. I've been wanting to ask if anyone here has the i7-3930K with either a 32GB or 64GB kit of RAM that is rated at CL9 latency and a higher MHz and has achieved a stable system? Also, even if I could run memory at a faster frequency, is it the case that doing so might decrease the lifespan of either the RAM or the CPU? I'm a bit of a noob in this regard and would really appreciate answers/suggestions concerning this.

@thesupersexy & @kmac20
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Finally I have no idea why you're spending 700$ on a raid controller when pretty much every single motherboard in existence now has them onboard. If you're worried they aren't good, simply get a better motherboard instead of dropping 700$ on a PCI raid controller that will give you more headaches in the long term anyway.
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If you are spending this kind of money I would definitely look at a better Motherboard, like a ASUS Rampage IV Extreme or a Asrock Extreme 9 or Extreme 11. These motherboards have built-in RAID controllers as I'm not 100% certain why you are going with a $700 raid controller when you are not building a server.

Well, the integrated hardware RAID on the Asus Rampage IV Extreme, for example, would only allow for 3gb/s transfer rate with my sata II WD drives and only allow up to four of them. Furthermore, I get a 512MB cache with the RAID controller I have listed right now.

Also, this quote from DuckieHo in another thread referring to the Asus Rampage IV Extreme (and likely most, if not all, other mobo-integrated solutions):
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It is host-based RAID (aka firmware RAID, fake RAID).

It is not truely hardware RAID with a dedicated CPU and RAM. Hardware RAID controllers starts at $150 new.
post #22 of 46
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Well, the integrated hardware RAID on the Asus Rampage IV Extreme, for example, would only allow for 3gb/s transfer rate with my sata II WD drives and only allow up to four of them. Furthermore, I get a 512MB cache with the RAID controller I have listed right now.

Not like HDDs can max out 3Gbps...
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Sorry I meant to quote the guy who says get 2x 680 4gb as opposed to 1 690 4gb for additional vram, since it does not scale it wont make a difference.

Yeah but foremost:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1704636
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That hardware is deserving of a much better case. Those Antec cases are junk when compared to a Silverstone or even decent Corsair case.
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Not like HDDs can max out 3Gbps...

What do you mean by this, exactly?
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What do you mean by this, exactly?

An HDD will not be bottlenecked by SATA 3Gbps. Heck, even an SSD will be bottlenecked by just slightly in terms of sequential speeds so not really noticeable.
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That hardware is deserving of a much better case. Those Antec cases are junk when compared to a Silverstone or even decent Corsair case.

I guess I just don't really see why you feel that way. On Amazon, the Antec 1200 V3 (besides 1 bad review from someone who picked up a USED case) has literally only 4's and 5's for reviews, extremely positive. I just looked around more closely at Silverstone, Corsair, and CoolerMaster and (to be honest) all their cases just look like junk to me. Really rectangular and closed off to any good airflow. Also, most of their fancy cases are pricer much higher than the Antec 1200 V3 and on Amazon there seems to be a whole HOST of really negative reviews ranging from poor customer service to cheap parts that break, to space problems, etc.

Could you maybe give me a particular model or two that you think is superior to the Antec 1200 V3 and then explain why? I'd really like to see specific examples like: number/type of fans, number of drive bays, number of usb 3.0 connectors, more space, better cable routing, etc. Just some solid reasons why you would support them over the Antec besides brand loyalty, is all. I'm completely willing to switch if you can convince me that there is a more suitable case out there!
post #27 of 46
The only advice I can really give here is to not spend this much money as I can not in good conscience advise this kind of expenditure.

Think of it this way:

You can drop ~$3K off that build and have one with about 80-90% (and sometimes more) in almost any application you will ever run (and many you wont). Then over the next 4-5 years use that $3k to upgrade it if and when you feel the need to and still probably end up with a rig that has 140-150% the performance of what you're trying to put together. In other words, this absolutely will not save money in the long run in any way shape or form. The real way to do that is to build around the $800-$1000 mark every couple years to get most of the performance of the $6000 computer, but also keep it more modern and updated and end up with a better computer at the end of the 6-7 year period that that money would last you.

A little sacrifice now (and a lot less wasted money) for much benefit in the future. (And heck, you'll have an extra 3 grand in your pocket just in case over the next few years.)
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post #28 of 46
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@Foolsmasher
I guess I just don't really see why you feel that way. On Amazon, the Antec 1200 V3 (besides 1 bad review from someone who picked up a USED case) has literally only 4's and 5's for reviews, extremely positive. I just looked around more closely at Silverstone, Corsair, and CoolerMaster and (to be honest) all their cases just look like junk to me. Really rectangular and closed off to any good airflow. Also, most of their fancy cases are pricer much higher than the Antec 1200 V3 and on Amazon there seems to be a whole HOST of really negative reviews ranging from poor customer service to cheap parts that break, to space problems, etc.

Could you maybe give me a particular model or two that you think is superior to the Antec 1200 V3 and then explain why? I'd really like to see specific examples like: number/type of fans, number of drive bays, number of usb 3.0 connectors, more space, better cable routing, etc. Just some solid reasons why you would support them over the Antec besides brand loyalty, is all. I'm completely willing to switch if you can convince me that there is a more suitable case out there!

Look man, I've built in Antec cases before. They're build quality is NO WHERE CLOSE to a Silverstone, or even a Corsair. They're cheap steel cases, with no take on any sort of modern design. When I look at one, I'm transported back to 2005!

They're loud, dusty, and made of cheap steel that scratches very easily, and will cut your hands up. My very first case was an Antec 900....I didn't even last a year before buying a new one.

If you want to go with a big high end build here's what I recommend:

Silverstone TJ11

Silversone FT02

Corsair 900D

Coolermaster Cosmos II

If you're considering watercooling, then think about a Silverstone TJ07


Trust me man, if you saw a TJ07 next to an Antec 1200 there is just no comparison in build quality and aesthetics.


EDIT: A Fractal Arc Midi R2 would be a good choice when it arrives too for a mid-tower. It's also pretty darn cheap and nice.
Edited by Foolsmasher - 2/24/13 at 1:27pm
post #29 of 46
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I think I still prefer the Antec PSU over your recommendation of Cooler Master Silent Pro Hybrid 1300 Watt. For one, Antec would be supplying both my case and PSU, so there's a better chance of good compatibility there. For two, the Antec PSU implements a semi-modular design. This means that mobo, cpu, and other essential connectors are hard-wired to provide better efficiency than a setup utilizing adapters.

Yeah man i agree 100% never mix and match psu and case you will have tons of problems;)
Edited by SteveZ23 - 2/24/13 at 1:39pm
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there are a lot of better choices for this much money...

First off, case: you could get such a better case for that much. Something like a Phantom 630 or 900D will destroy that cooling-wise (and looks).

Sound: Return that crappy, overpriced Logitech set immediately. Buy two sets of Pioneer Andrew Jones bookshelf speakers (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer---4%26%2334%3B-Bookshelf-Speakers-(Pair)/5086955.p?id=1218610014045&skuId=5086955 and the matching center (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+Dual+4%22+Center-Channel+Speaker/5086891.p?id=1218610015437&skuId=5086891&st=pioneer%20center&cp=1&lp=1. This for a subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-America-F12-475-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0015A8Y5M. Throw in a nice Denon receiver (or equivalent) hooked up through TOSlink directly to your motherboard (receiver handles all processing anyway). If you want to go higher end, check out AVSforums.

processor: good choice if needed.

motherboard: get an RIVE or Extreme9/11

Drives: Samsung ssd's are just as reliable as Intels, plus they're faster. Pick up an 840 pro. All of that RAID stuff is completely unnecessary for your needs. If you want RAID, just buy 4 WD10EZEX's and use software RAID. There's no way that will saturate SATA II.

psu: Any good case will not have compatibility issues with a psu. That Antec is not a very gpood unit. Plus, it's overkill for your needs. Use this calculator: http://www.overclock.net/t/1140534/psu-calc-final-release. Then look on the recommended psu list and Jonnyguru (this is a good deal right now: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817494010)

RAM: That stuff is really overpriced. I paid $50 for my 8x2 GB Kingston HyperX. If you want RAM that expensive, look at higher speeds at least. But, you can get by just fine with 1600 mHZ RAM.

Cooling: Get a Deepcool Assassin or custom water cooling (if done right, virtually no chance of killing hardware).

Gpu's: Either get GTX Titan's or 7970's (Ares II for a dual gpu card). The 7970 basically destroys the 680 (both overclocked) in just about every game nowadays (since 12.11).

Monitor: don't buy into that refresh rate junk. For this nice of a build, get either an Asus 1440p (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236294) or triple Korean 1440p monitors (you could probably get 3 for ~$1000).

Well, I think that's about it. Seriously consider these suggestions.
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