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All my current game run on a DX11 card. That does not make them DX11 games. DirectCompute is a sepperat API form DrectX. It even runs on DX10 and up cards so it does not even need DX11 level hardware. In short its not a DX11 feature so it cannot be the "secret DX11 feature" that's supposed to be in Tomb raider.

 

DirectCompute is one of the main features of DX11. It's stated clearly on AMD's websiteTomb Raider is DX9 & DX11 and, as far as I am aware, not DX10. 

Therefore the only logical conclusion, along with other statements noted previously, is that TressFX is a DX11 feature. 


 


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Yeah the oily look is mostly due to it being overly specular. Its also very flat in its coloring, all and all resulting in the LOREAL look. Turning the specularity down and having more uneven coloring would make it look much more realistic. In fact in the none in game screen shot on the left it looks much much better.


Well, she's also filthy in these screenshots... so I'd expect her hair to be a little oily and nasty. It wouldn't look right to have nice fluffy clean hair with less reflection and a more flat look. I guess we will see how that translates when she's clean, and if they tone it down.
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DirectCompute is one of the main features of DX11. It's stated clearly on AMD's websiteTomb Raider is DX9 & DX11 and, as far as I am aware, not DX10.


Therefore the only logical conclusion, along with other statements noted previously, is that TressFX is a DX11 feature.

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Well, she's also filthy in these screenshots... so I'd expect her hair to be a little oily and nasty. It wouldn't look right to have nice fluffy clean hair with less reflection and a more flat look. I guess we will see how that translates when she's clean, and if they tone it down.

Except dirty bloodcaked oily hair isn't wispy and light enough to gently dance around in the breeze or have nice full bouncy volume... It's just not believable. It looks more like her hair is made of thin plastic ribbons.
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Yeah the oily look is mostly due to it being overly specular. Its also very flat in its coloring, all and all resulting in the LOREAL look. Turning the specularity down and having more uneven coloring would make it look much more realistic. In fact in the none in game screen shot on the left it looks much much better.

Agreed.
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Give all the sarcastic faces you want, but if Tomb Raider isn't DX10, and DirectCompute is an API for DX10 & DX11 (primarily DX11), then how can TressFX not be a DX11 feature? It cannot be a DX10 feature if the game isn't running in DX10. The API is only, as far as I am aware DX10 and DX11. Primarily designed for DX11.

I really don't see what's hard to understand about that, it makes sense to me. confusedsmiley.png

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DirectCompute is one of the main features of DX11. It's stated clearly on AMD's websiteTomb Raider is DX9 & DX11 and, as far as I am aware, not DX10.


Therefore the only logical conclusion, along with other statements noted previously, is that TressFX is a DX11 feature.


Sigh. You still don't get what I'm saying. Tomb raider needs a minimum of DX9. That's fine. To enable all of its features you need DX11. Things like tessalation, realtime reflections ect. Obviously if Tomb raider can be played with a DX9 card it can be played with a DX10 card. As Direct compute is available on DX10 and up cards the question is: is it possible to run TressFX on a DX10 card? If it only needs directcompute to work then it should. If it has to have some DX11 feature like tessellation to work then it wont. Even so directcompute + tessalation does not equal a new DX11 feature but just a combination of existing features.
    
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I am sure somebody has posted it but it is as funny as it is tragic.rolleyes.gif

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Give all the sarcastic faces you want, but if Tomb Raider isn't DX10, and DirectCompute is an API for DX10 & DX11 (primarily DX11), then how can TressFX not be a DX11 feature? It cannot be a DX10 feature if the game isn't running in DX10. The API is only, as far as I am aware DX10 and DX11. Primarily designed for DX11.


I really don't see what's hard to understand about that, it makes sense to me. confusedsmiley.png

Ok, let's do the math here, using your own words. "The API is only, as far as I am aware DX10 and DX11". Now, DX11 is a superset of DX10. Most DX10 hardware is actually capable of most if not all of the DX11 functions. Now... we know that this API functions in both DX11 and DX10. So what does that mean? Obviously, the API makes use of functions that are found in both the DX11 superset and the DX10 subset.

Thus, this is not a DX11 exclusive feature.

As an aside, Games programmed for DX9/11 when run on a DX10 card will run the DX10 subset of features from the DX11 superset and delegate the tasks it cannot do to the CPU or simply omit them.

Come on man, did I have to spell that out?
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Sigh. You still don't get what I'm saying. Tomb raider needs a minimum of DX9. That's fine. To enable all of its features you need DX11. Things like tessalation, realtime reflections ect. Obviously if Tomb raider can be played with a DX9 card it can be played with a DX10 card. As Direct compute is available on DX10 and up cards the question is: is it possible to run TressFX on a DX10 card? If it only needs directcompute to work then it should. If it has to have some DX11 feature like tessellation to work then it wont. Even so directcompute + tessalation does not equal a new DX11 feature but just a combination of existing features.

 

This is under the assumption DirectCompute is the only feature being used to achieve this effect. I doubt it. I also wouldn't say that just because it uses a combination of techniques to achieve something new that it isn't a new feature. 

 

Also (because it's at least more reliable than the words of DSO).


They advertise a new and top secret Direct X 11 feature. I cannot see anything else being paraded at the moment for Tomb Raider as a new feature other than TressFX.

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