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Windows needs to stop making one major operating system... have business versions SEPERATED from gaming versions....
They did that for a long time and it sucked. NT was stable and Win9x/ME like a F.O.R.D " FORMAT OR REPAIR DAILY". Just get Windows Vista Home Basic. Its $99 for the update. Its missing large parts of vista so it will like XP with future SP4. Theres your gaming O/S.
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I wonder how they got that salary information. And I also wonder how skewed it is by the dozen or so people that make millions upon millions of dollars. I highly doubt that all their programmers make even 100K.
I'd believe the salary info. I know that at the place I plain to internship at this summer, a few years ago a guy from EA came and made a game kinda program that was used to control a robot that the company had build. Its main purpose was as a training program. The guys from EA makes $320,000 a year. All because he came write games....I'm in the wrong field.
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post #23 of 43
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I think Vista would be more of an improvement is they focused more on the OS and less on Hacker protection because no matter how much stuff you have to do, people are gunna hack it. the REAL threats like spyware and viruses are bearly shielded in Vista, you have to turn off the stupid account control because it pops up even when you open CONTROL PANEL... *** IS THAT? "are you sure you want control panel to open? 'no i just thought i'd be fun!'" Another useless function from M$, what a surprise.
They can't shield when people are the ones normally who say "yes i want this program to install, why is there so much more crap installing now i don't want this but i agree to install it." or normally going to porn sites and learning to be a pirate. Virus are easy install anti virus and don't go to porn site or open up spam then download that attachment.

The other fuction that double checks if you want to access that type of file is good not as whole but for the general public for people who don't know how to use a computer. That will stop alot of SEU errors. If you don't like it turn it off.
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post #24 of 43
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Yes, you are technically correct.

BUT, the idea behind the microkernel is to replace components not the whole OS when you need to upgrade. So, even is NT/XP/W2003 are all microkernels, none of them have any major interchangeable kernel components.

Therefore, you have to ask yourself the BIG question...WHY in the hell did M$ spend so much time designing a NEW microkernel each time? What a total waste of time and money!

Prime example: Put the graphics engine in the microkernel, NO, don't put the graphics engine in the microkernel! WTH??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel

That's why. It's as much like a Monolithic kernel as a Microkernel. If Microsoft had worked it right, NT would be an awesome kernel.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_kernel

That's why. It's as much like a Monolithic kernel as a Microkernel. If Microsoft had worked it right, NT would be an awesome kernel.
NT was good including 2000 aka NT 5.0.

Thats hard to say 2000 is built off of NT 4.0, XP was built off of 2000 but mostly 2000 is a Monolithic and Vista are mostly Monolithic kernels
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I want to work for MS now!
yeah... an average salary of $200,000... I'd be happy to go to work for them.
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They did that for a long time and it sucked. NT was stable and Win9x/ME like a F.O.R.D " FORMAT OR REPAIR DAILY". Just get Windows Vista Home Basic. Its $99 for the update. Its missing large parts of vista so it will like XP with future SP4. Theres your gaming O/S.
Not really, NT was for workstations, if I'm not mistaken... and I am talking about completely different OS's for work, home, gaming medea, etc...not one OS that they cut features from....
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yeah... an average salary of $200,000... I'd be happy to go to work for them.
I wouldn't; they work hard for that salary. I can't imagine trying to cooperate with thousands of other employees to make one single product. Talk about cooperation, concentration, and a lot of hard work..

I'm lazy; I'd rather make 48k a year programming for a no-name company than bust my balls every day and be too tired to play games when I get home.
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I highly doubt the average salary at MS is $200,000. Even with benefits. However, if that is true, you have $10 billion for salaries. Even if the total development was $50 billion MS would still make plenty of money.

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Today, IDC issued some new projections for Windows Vista including the notion that over 90 million units of the operating system will ship in 2007 worldwide.
MS is planning on 67% of those 90 million to be Home Basic (that is 60.3 million or $11,999,700,000), Home Premium will be 30% or 30 million copies and 47,170,000,000, Vista Ultimate will be 1.8 million copies or $718,200,000, and Vista Business will be .9 million copies and $269,100,000. That brings the total to around $60,157,000,000. Note, these figures are only consumer sales, not business or enterprise sales. MS will easily be able to pay off the R&D put into Vista. That is why I hate Inquirer, they suck as using facts and reasoning skills.
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I'd believe the salary info. I know that at the place I plain to internship at this summer, a few years ago a guy from EA came and made a game kinda program that was used to control a robot that the company had build. Its main purpose was as a training program. The guys from EA makes $320,000 a year. All because he came write games....I'm in the wrong field.
Some of you people are a little naive & wishful. I can assure you that the average developer in EA or MSFT does not make anything close to $200K. There may be some very senior SW architect types making that coin. The $200K number is most likely the per-engineer cost (not their salary). For example in chip-design, average per-engineer cost can vary up to around $200K, but includes all their benefits (health, 401K) and cost of "housing them". Real "median" salaries would be $70-$140K range (this would cover 90% of the engineers). This # can be used to estimate the total cost of establishing a new development team or center. For example a center consisting of 100 engineers may cost you $20M/year in operating cost (given $200K/resource). This includes the building, the IT support, the soda machine, the admin staff etc.

Senior types, leads, architects, and managers would be $140-$200K+ (this is typically the top 10% of the engineering workforce, you certainly dont get there on day 1). If you included all the SW engineers they have working for them in places like India, the real per-engineer cost would actually be lower than this.
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