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I am pondering the idea of downsizing my build. I currently own the Fractal Design Define R4, a case I very much have fallen for, but I thought it might be interesting to attempt a smaller build. I am nearing a hopeful settling point for my computer's purchases having now bought the X40 & H110 for certain reasons and I would love to potentially fit them in a Mini-ITX case, so simply put is this possible, if not what may be the closest second option?
    
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its hard to know what kind of case you could " down size " to with out knowing your components bud thumb.gif

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Okay, will do, but my main question regardless is whether I can fit a 280mm and 140mm rad in any Mini-ITX cases?
    
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the only one that may even stand a chance of fitting after modding would be a prodigy... any reason why you even need liquid cooling for ITX? especially a 280mm + 140mm CLC? biggrin.gif if it's aesthetic reasons, then i can understand. however performance wise, you'd be better off with a high end air cooler (unless the 280mm CLC was meant for your 7970) still the sapphire generally run pretty quiet till you start cranking up the settings on crysis3 or something.
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i think you could do it, and i dont know why you wouldnt be able to use water cooling for perfomance ( @ above poster..) in a small case, provided you have good cable management the OC benifits are still there
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i think you could do it, and i dont know why you wouldnt be able to use water cooling for perfomance ( @ above poster..) in a small case, provided you have good cable management the OC benifits are still there

current generation ITX mobo does not include VRM that exceed capability of a high quality air cooler. you CAN liquid cool, but you wont get much better results for current gen ITX boards. ivybridge runs hot regardless of what cooler you use. it's the nature of the chip itself.(much higher thermal density then the 32nm sandybridge according to intel) until they come out with something like a diamond heat spreader the problem will persist simply because it's the nature of the 22nm fab.

a quality air cooler has NO problems dissipating a chip with a TDP of 77w no matter how you go about OCing it with current gen consumer grade ITX mobo's. other reasons for going liquid for ITX is for fitting into the smallest case possible (SG05) but as far as performance, there is little reason to go liquid in ITX. (unless you are going liquid on the GPU since the GPU has a TDP of 250w or about 3 times the power requirement as the CPU)
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the only one that may even stand a chance of fitting after modding would be a prodigy... any reason why you even need liquid cooling for ITX? especially a 280mm + 140mm CLC? biggrin.gif if it's aesthetic reasons, then i can understand. however performance wise, you'd be better off with a high end air cooler (unless the 280mm CLC was meant for your 7970) still the sapphire generally run pretty quiet till you start cranking up the settings on crysis3 or something.

I already own the coolers, I am just pondering the idea of having my computer setup in a smaller fashion. Its in the Define R4 currently and I am very happy with it but I will do a full custom loop in a year or two if all goes well and I may want to put them in a smaller and more transportable build. As far as the prodigy goes, might that be the side panel it would potentially fit on? Also in addition, I recently bought a Dwood Bracket which has been shipped, I was wondering if my GPU or CPU would be better benefited with the 280mm CLC?
    
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current generation ITX mobo does not include VRM that exceed capability of a high quality air cooler. you CAN liquid cool, but you wont get much better results for current gen ITX boards. ivybridge runs hot regardless of what cooler you use. it's the nature of the chip itself.(much higher thermal density then the 32nm sandybridge according to intel) until they come out with something like a diamond heat spreader the problem will persist simply because it's the nature of the 22nm fab.

a quality air cooler has NO problems dissipating a chip with a TDP of 77w no matter how you go about OCing it with current gen consumer grade ITX mobo's. other reasons for going liquid for ITX is for fitting into the smallest case possible (SG05) but as far as performance, there is little reason to go liquid in ITX. (unless you are going liquid on the GPU since the GPU has a TDP of 250w or about 3 times the power requirement as the CPU)

hasnt asrock been putting out some intense performance itx boads lately?
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yes asrock, evga and asus all put out decent ITX boards in the current generation. however that's not to say they are in the Asus RoG category when it comes to hardcore OCing. what it comes down to is high performance VRM require high performance cooling on the VRM itself. and there's simply isn't too much room on an ITX board to set down big blocks of heatsinks just for the VRM's and still allow for enough room to put a good sized cpu cooler.

people need to remember ITX was not meant to have tower coolers since the only reason to go ITX is for a SFF build. since 90% of SFF builds still rely on low profile coolers, (to keep the case small) they cant designing the board to "require" tower coolers. if you go to the SFF section of the OCN, you will see ALOT of people would LOVE to have a RoG class ITX board and dump it into a prodigy or node, but relatively speaking people on OCN are the minority when looking at the overall mobo market.

maybe further down the line, as the current generation of ITX boards increase sales, they (cough Asus cough) MAY decide there IS sufficient demand for a RoG class ITX board and grant us the much sought after high OC performance ITX board to put into those prodigy/node 304/SG08's people are buying up. we have to remember that not too long ago, we can barely even OC Sandybridge on ITX boards. now you can comfortably OC Ivybridge, but just not to the same degree as the TOP OF THE LINE OC'ing boards like the RoG's smile.gif
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

yes asrock, evga and asus all put out decent ITX boards in the current generation. however that's not to say they are in the Asus RoG category when it comes to hardcore OCing. what it comes down to is high performance VRM require high performance cooling on the VRM itself. and there's simply isn't too much room on an ITX board to set down big blocks of heatsinks just for the VRM's and still allow for enough room to put a good sized cpu cooler.

people need to remember ITX was not meant to have tower coolers since the only reason to go ITX is for a SFF build. since 90% of SFF builds still rely on low profile coolers, (to keep the case small) they cant designing the board to "require" tower coolers. if you go to the SFF section of the OCN, you will see ALOT of people would LOVE to have a RoG class ITX board and dump it into a prodigy or node, but relatively speaking people on OCN are the minority when looking at the overall mobo market.

maybe further down the line, as the current generation of ITX boards increase sales, they (cough Asus cough) MAY decide there IS sufficient demand for a RoG class ITX board and grant us the much sought after high OC performance ITX board to put into those prodigy/node 304/SG08's people are buying up. we have to remember that not too long ago, we can barely even OC Sandybridge on ITX boards. now you can comfortably OC Ivybridge, but just not to the same degree as the TOP OF THE LINE OC'ing boards like the RoG's smile.gif
ah i see what you are saying, thanks for clarifying.

so what kind of overclock can someone expect from these mobos?
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