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yes but when prime 95 is at idle with speed step on the cpu is at 1740 on both cpu-z and real temp, and when i start prime 95 both show it goes up to 3207 as it should therefore i know speed step is working.
but with speed step off cpu-z is showing my cpu at 3207 at idle which is correct but real temp shows it at jumping up and down from 1764 to 2258 which is not correct. this is also the case on my wifes computer as i just tried it and her system which has a EVGA mother board. I guess i will just ignore real temp when it comes to cpu clock readings and just use it for temps.

 

I don't know the technical way to explain it.  Ask unclewebb.  All I know is that Real Temp is showing you what the CPU is actually doing.

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post #12 of 34
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yes but when prime 95 is at idle with speed step on the cpu is at 1740 on both cpu-z and real temp, and when i start prime 95 both show it goes up to 3207 as it should therefore i know speed step is working.
but with speed step off cpu-z is showing my cpu at 3207 at idle which is correct but real temp shows it at jumping up and down from 1764 to 2258 which is not correct. this is also the case on my wifes computer as i just tried it and her system which has a EVGA mother board. I guess i will just ignore real temp when it comes to cpu clock readings and just use it for temps.

It's because CPU-Z ignores those small jumps to give a more stable readout - it is a validation tool and not a monitoring tool. Realtemp is showing what is really happening with the chip.
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To make things more confusing, you're not seeing your CPU's true idle behavior when you have programs like Real Temp or CPU-Z open.  This is because they are constantly polling the CPU thereby keeping it from truly idling.

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Have you tried going to power management in windows and setting minimum CPU status to 100%?
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post #15 of 34
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after further diagnostics I found twocables to be correct, therefore I went to ASUS tech and updated my BIOS
and now when I turn off intel speed step is off and real temp shows my cpu clock staying at max mhz no matter
what the condition. the reason behind doing this is I read on OCN that when overclocking the cpu you should
disable intel speed step.
and yes I have power management set to 100% min, I also have made the correcting in my registry so I now have the option
to unpark all 12 cpu threads/cores in power management.
thanks for your help twocables, and everyone else's input was great, thanks again.

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post #16 of 34
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Originally Posted by jlhawn View Post

after further diagnostics I found twocables to be correct, therefore I went to ASUS tech and updated my BIOS
and now when I turn off intel speed step is off and real temp shows my cpu clock staying at max mhz no matter
what the condition. the reason behind doing this is I read on OCN that when overclocking the cpu you should
disable intel speed step.
and yes I have power management set to 100% min, I also have made the correcting in my registry so I now have the option
to unpark all 12 cpu threads/cores in power management.
thanks for your help twocables, and everyone else's input was great, thanks again.

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You're welcome!  I'm glad that they fixed it with a BIOS update.  Now all they have to do is fix it for the P67/Z68/Z77 boards!  Although, there's no need to disable it for Sandy and Ivy Bridge overclocking unless doing BCLK overclocking.

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post #17 of 34
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You're welcome!  I'm glad that they fixed it with a BIOS update.  Now all they have to do is fix it for the P67/Z68/Z77 boards!  Although, there's no need to disable it for Sandy and Ivy Bridge overclocking unless doing BCLK overclocking.

I also have not updated my bios since i built my system in 2010 as I was always told if
your not having any of the issue's that are listed in the bios updates then you should
not mess with the bios by updating for no reason, there has been 6 updates since i built
my system, i am not 100% positive the fix for my problem was in the bios update as none
of them listed it, but the newest one i updated with did list a usb 3.0 problem that i had in
the past so i guess i got a 2 for 1 fix. I'm just real picky about my system working perfect as
for a living I am a car and truck master tech for 35 years and for the last 10 i have been
performing car and truck computer programing and diagnostics on the onboard pcm's so i'm
kinda anal about things.
thanks again for your help.
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post #18 of 34
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jlhawn: so maybe real temp just isn't good at reading cpu mhz

RealTemp was the only program smart enough to tell you what your CPU is really doing. CPU-Z ignores what your CPU is doing when lightly loaded.

For most users, if you want steady MHz when idle, use a Minimum processor state of 100% and disable C1E, C3 and C6 in the bios. There is usually no need to disable EIST. That's probably why some motherboard manufacturers leave it on all the time.
post #19 of 34
@jlhawn

Can you confirm that if you enable C3 and C6, your CPU still stays at max turbo?
post #20 of 34
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@jlhawn

Can you confirm that if you enable C3 and C6, your CPU still stays at max turbo?

 

C3 and C6 are just states that the CPU goes in when it's idling.  You won't see C6 in any software because monitoring software has to poll the CPU, and that keeps it awake.  As for C3, I don't know because I haven't asked.

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