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Why do you Boinc?
To use my hardware, and to further along projects that I am interested in

-Have you ever Folded?
yup

-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?
yup, it allows contributors to choose projects and contribute towards something they are interested in.

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?
IIRC, I found folding to be easier to set up. The boincstats project management system is absolutely fubar, however after over half a year of playing with it I'm comfortable with its quirks.

-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?
Not sure? I tend not to follow biology based projects, although I do run some poem WU strictly for points. I think I ran a few rosetta WU's to feel less like a scrooge, but the points were terrible so I stopped.

-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc? F@H on Boinc at the bottom
Yeah, and I believe that some form of consolidation would increase usage of f@h and boinc projects (although imo the point tracking sites for boinc would require serious work before that could happen).
post #12 of 24
-Why do you Boinc?
I BOINC for a few different reasons. I am not much of a gamer anymore, so it is fun to push my hardware with BOINC. I also enjoy all of the different projects that BOINC has to offer.

-Have you ever Folded?
Yes. I am on The IT Crew in the OCN Team Competition.

-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?
I don't think either one is better than the other. I just think of F@H as another distributed computing project.
I will say that F@H's support for AMD cards is a joke. There has been a lot of finger pointing, but at the end of the day I think it is on Stanford to make their client work with AMD hardware.
*edit* With the new WU's Stanford has finally made folding on an AMD GPU worthwhile.

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?
F@H seems to be easier to set-up and run for inexperienced users. The sheer number of BOINC projects, along with the specific tweaks for each project, could be a little overwhelming to a new user.

-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?
Yes

-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc?
Yes. I read it on the F@H FAQ. It would be nice if they were still working on the BOINC client. There is definitely an opportunity for more exposure for F@H through BOINC.
post #13 of 24
- Why do you Boinc?

Mainly to not waste my computer. I barely game anymore, and if i do, it's stuff that runs at ultra settings when my computer is idling at stock speeds (really old games, emulators). Also the projects seem very nice and interesting, and as an overclocker, i always feel the need to push my computer to the max.

- Have you ever Folded?

Yes, i do. Unless there is a BGB, i Fold on my CPU's, and on Foldathons i use both CPU's and GPU's.

- Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?

Yes. The variety of projects available makes it a more fun to run application., plus the different ways to handle each projects and the little modifications to run them are interesting instead of just throwing moar cores/GPU's/GHz to improve performance/PPD.

- Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?

Both are already easy to use, but i'd say F@H, from client v7. All you have to do is insert your account info (and even that is optional, you can fold as an anonymous contributor) and the application will detect your hardware and set it up for normal operation. For BOINC you have to get an account for each project you want to run, plus you gotta keep the infor the same or the CPID will end up different.

- Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?

Yes. I remember Biorganic stating Folding is just one aspect of proteins, and i do agree with him. While not a biochemist, i do have a certain degree of knowledge about it and it is true, and having several different projects which execute different things, we can get a more complete view.

- Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc?

Yes. It's also understandable that they couldn't develop it more since it's "easier" to make a standalone app to fit your needs rather than shoehorn what you want to do in someone else's app. I do wish the project would get revived now though, i'd have no complaints otherwise.
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post #14 of 24
-Why do you Boinc?
BOINC lets me use my computer for something beneficial when I'm not actively using it, such as at class or just browsing the web.

-Have you ever Folded?
Yes, but due to a few issues like my computer being basically unusable for anything else while folding I've come back to BOINC. BOINC handles background process priority correctly, whereas the F@H client seems to completely ignore it. I can be running CPU BOINC WU's using 100% of my CPU and still get 60+ FPS in games, while I can barely scroll a webpage with F@H.

-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?
I don't think it's necessarily better, just different. I like having the choice to work for the projects I choose.

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?
BOINC, definitely. When I last used F@H it was a nightmare to get it to run multithreaded, and to have GPU WUs done at the same time. BOINC is all in one application, I had to run 10+ F@H applications to get it to work or fiddle with obscure launch flags ... it was awful. BOINC is a lot easier to set up on new computers, just download it and use the account manager, you don't need to know the exact hardware specs and set flags for it like F@H.

-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?
Yes, of course! Everything helps. Cancer isn't the only disease out there, and protein folding isn't the only way to combat it.

-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc? F@H on Boinc at the bottom
That would be great, and I would fully support it if it came to BOINC.
post #15 of 24
-Why do you Boinc?
- Looked interesting, thought I'd help the team out, plus there's more projects better suited for my older hardware.

-Have you ever Folded?
- Avid folder.

-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?
- Both are great in their own right... I like the wide range of science boinc encompasses but I wouldn't say its better than F@H because of that; I can choose to support F@H or one of the projects on Boinc that interests me, its all the same.

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?
- Definitely the folding clients, I don't need to manually configure "complicated" configuration files. When I started running Boinc I could not figure out to how only use one of my gfx cards or how to run a specific project on one card and another on the other even tho it's supposedly possible; in fact, I still can't.

-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?
- Of course.

-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc? F@H on Boinc at the bottom
- Well I do now thumb.gif
 
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post #16 of 24
-Why do you Boinc?
I have the hardware and I no longer utilize it for gaming to any real extent. It is nice to apply my hardware to a good cause. My first BGB got me addicted to BOINC

-Have you ever Folded?
Not for F@H, I almost set it up once but did not. I don't remember why.

-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?
Yes, simply due to its variety. You can work on biologically relevant projects or CSE or mathematics etc. You can tailor your BOINC project profile to be what you want.

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?
I cannot honestly say if F@H is easier or not. By all accounts F@H is "plug'n play". BOINC is relativley easy to setup initially. It's the fine tunning your settings to optimize ppd for specific prjects that can become more time consuming (not difficult), you just need to play with it. To anyone who optimizes OCd hardware this tinkering would likely be simple. The optimizations are part of what make BOINC fun.

-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?
Absolutely equivalent if not more helpful, depending on the project. explained below.

-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc? F@H on Boinc at the bottom
No I was not aware.

IMO:
BOINC is a better project, that's as a Biochemist who knows much and is heavily invested in proteins. The computational methods used to determine or attempt to determine protein folding are very controversial. There are so many variables, amino acid electronic interaction, van der waals forces, hydrophobicity, secondary structural, sulphur crosslinks, tertiary structure, solvent effects, protein chaperons(super important) etc etc etc, that they cannot include all variables. The calcs are best case guesses with many approximations and a laboratory biochemist will tell you that the computational guys have a loooong way to go before we are even close to accurately simulating such a complex system.

Besides, Proteins folding correctly is only one of many aspects of a protein and it completely ignores many aspects which are imo more important. Catalytic activity, enzymatic mechanisms, protein-protein and protein-receptor interactions are all as important or more important for drug treatment and other types of therapy. To this end there are many projects on BOINC that approach some of these issues.

When we do understand how proteins actually fold, then what? The body still has x disability because enzyme y does not fold correctly. Gene therapy could be used to augment the gene for expression/transcription/translation of this correctly folded protein, but we are not actually augmenting the protein folding. Just implanting the correct gene for a correctly folding protein.

The understanding of protein folding is beneficial in the long term goal of designing our own proteins to fulfill a desired catalytic activity. To this same end understanding the mechanistic characteristics of an enzymatic active site are much more beneficial. You can have a properly folded designer protein all day long, with 000000000 activity/usability if the active site does not have catalytic activity. Knowing how to impart such activity is far more important.

I think many people just fold because it is popular and they want to feel like part of the group. Just my opinion.
Edited by Biorganic - 3/11/13 at 10:48am
 
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post #17 of 24
-Why do you Boinc?

I BOINC because the distributed computing project I started with almost 12 years ago developed it then switched their project to run on it. biggrin.gif

-Have you ever Folded?

No, only a personal preference though.

-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?

I think having the ability to choose your project(s), then specifically allocate your resources make BOINC the better platform. Its not without its issues though such as credit equality, but if you add into the open source nature and the push to lower the barrier of entry to application development in distributed computing, it makes BOINC the clear winner.

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?

I can't speak to useability of F@H, but I'm happy with the progress of the BOINC platform and client.

-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?

Yes I do, the benefit of BOINC is that you can further refine your electricity donation to the exact project(s) you choose. I like astrophysics projects a lot more than protein research, but that's just my personal preference.

-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc?

Yes, a few years back I had heard they were thinking about it. I guess it didn't go anywhere. Its my personal opinion that they would see a net benefit from integration, but with their existing infrastructure I can see why they decided to fly solo.
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-Why do you Boinc?

 

I BOINC to make better use of my AMD GPU.

 


-Have you ever Folded?

 

Very much so.

 


-Do you think Boinc is better than Folding and why?

 

I believe both have their merits.  BOINC is a much better platform for a wide range of projects while Folding@Home is a much better path to take in the sense that they can optimize the platform for exactly what they want.

 

 

-Which is program/app (Boinc/F@H) is easier to use and why?

 

Personally, I have found the newest F@H v7 client much easier to set up and BOINC, but before v7, BOINC had my vote,

 


-Do you believe that the Projects that BOINC run i.e. "IBM's WCG HCC, Rosetta@Home, Poem@Home" are just as beneficial to finding cures for cancers and diseases and Folding@Home?

 

Can't comment, I haven't done many BOINC projects yet.

 


-Did you know that Folding@Home actually wanted to come to Boinc? F@H on Boinc at the bottom

 

Yep.

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