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I would not wait. Haswell is already slated for the summer, having been pushed back from early this year, and I won't be surprised if it's delayed a few more months.

The next big thing is always 6 months away. After haswell comes out, AMD will be putting out their new series fairly soon and while bulldozer was a failure, piledriver was a big improvement over it and bulldozer was a manifestation of screw-ups that happened many years ago at AMD.

Haswell is just as likely to be the next bulldozer, as it is to be the next sandy bridge. No one here can tell you the future and anyone who tries to is lying through their teeth. Now everyone in here is saying wait, but I really don't think that's the best call, for a few reasons.

1. Haswell is going to be expensive. Both the CPU and mobo will be expensive, I just don't see them being price efficient, regardless of how good or bad they are, compared to sandy/ivy right now.

2. They are focused mostly on the integrated graphics and lower energy usage, that's haswell's big thing. Remember, Ivy bridge was predicted for like 15% improvement over sandy, and it's like 4-6% performance increase in real world and 10% at best. Haswell is predicted only 10%. I mean it could go either way, but especially given the focus of the chip being the igpu and energy.... I don't know, maybe that makes it just some super awesome overclocker. Really, if you want to wait for a big chip you should wait for Broadwell or Skylake. That's what all the intel people say is the big thing, the really big thing.

3. Computer components are fungible like cash. I say you buy ivy bridge, sandy bridge, a pentium, whatever, and when haswell comes out, if it ends up awesome and priced right, you just sell your pentium build with no loss and then buy haswell + motherboard. If you buy your CPU+Motherboard at microcenter, you'll gain at least $50 selling it, even if it's when haswell comes out.

4. Haswell isn't going to make ivy bridges prices drop. Phenom ii's have dropped what, $30 in the last 3 years?

5. What are your needs? Does sandy/ivy not work for you?

If you need a computer, just get ivy bridge or whatever. Computer components are so easy to sell off and trade, just buy a cpu+mobo, sell it for no loss and get your haswell if it's great. I personally build a computer, and then in a month throw it on craigslist. It's always easy to sell, and then I do it all over again so I can try out new hardware. As long as you buy your computer stuff from the right places or the right sales you should always be able to make a profit on it. It seems like you are okay to wait so you could probably buy your components over 2 weeks and get great deals on all of them.

And why are you buying the P8Z77-V PRO? I don't see what it offers over the LK that makes it worth paying so much more for. The D3H at 82 lbs is a great board at that site, but if those colors dont jive there's the Asus P8Z77-V LK for only 90 lb. But the D3H is higher quality than the Asus LK, although the LK should be fine.
Edited by Belial - 2/26/13 at 12:31pm
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The info on Haswell as others have pointed out shows that it is not going to be a huge boost over the existing chips. Ivybridge was only a minor bump over Sandy and Haswell will be another minor bump again in CPU power. Intel right now is focused on the integrated graphics and power usage. With that in mind I can see no real compelling reason to wait.

I will go further though and say you might not even need to spend the money on an i7 and go for an i5. The only advantage offered is in heavily threaded apps which are NOT in gaming. If you plan to do professional video work or 3D renderings then it might be different but for 99% of the people out there and pretty much all gamers the i5 is a better bang for your buck.

As for the 8000 series of cards, word out of AMD is that we "might" see this for the holidays.

I understand you have put in place a pretty good size budget but that just means you can up the quality, worry about performance that will make a difference, do not buy to just say you have.
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^ Really good post, full of logic and reason. The problem with asking things online is that people have no problem telling you to spend money that isn't their's. And they sort of live vicariously through you, I mean I'd love to see what the GTX Titan is like but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone for just gaming due to the price.
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I think the LK doesnt have mosfet cooling
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i like the pro board for a few resons
colour scheme
dual pcie x16 slots
8 sata
a god amount of stuff on the back

i don base my stuff on what people say 100% like you said titan probaly awesome but id have to sell a arm and leg to get it i take in what people say and make my own mind up

i can give the full list of parts going in this rig but im sure u guys will want to change it

i have no choice to wait because at the moment im only 1/4 of the way there

i would buy haswell just say I GOT THAT if it was the same PRICE and had better performance then yer id get it

by august i might be able to get a i7 for the same price as a 3570k

i do alot of 3d design, 2d design, phot editing, would like to do games, movies

the idea of building then buying a month later to me i dont see the point ud be forever building your self a computer


im building this (to me a) dream machine to not upgrade a few months to a year down the line i would like the think id upgrade it in 2 1/2 to 5 years time


EDIT

if ivy bridge i7 goes in the sale for a bonkers price ill buy without hesitation
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I think the LK doesnt have mosfet cooling

Wrong.
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i like the pro board for a few resons
colour scheme
dual pcie x16 slots
8 sata
a god amount of stuff on the back

- same color scheme
- are you aware the 2nd pci-e slot is only 2.0? Gigabyte has much lower priced boards that have pci-e 3.0 on both, if not all 3, slots. Are you even planning to use SLI? This is not really that important even if you are, even pci-e 2.0 x8 runs a 2nd gpu more than fine. You are talking about something that only matters with 3 680s and only in batman arkham aslyum for like 6% and nothing in any popular game.
- do you plan to use 8hdd? If you are that's fine, that'd be a reason to get a pro or ud5h type of motherboard. that just seems insane to me, ive never used more than a single sata port on any build
- do you need a god amount of stuff on the i/o? Most of that stuff is like for the integrated graphics... you are going to be hooking up monitors to your GPUs, right? Didn't you say you were getting a graphics card? And even the LK and similarly priced boards have a 'god amount' of stuff on the back.

If you needed 8 sata ports, that would definitely be a reason why you get the Pro class board over the LK or UD3H. But it just seems a bit odd to me, i mean a single ssd is all the storage I've ever needed on any of the computer's i've built. Even if you were extreme and had 4 hdd's even the cheapest of boards have that covered. Then there's always adapters and stuff like that....

Also the UD5H should be a better board than the Pro, better pci express and better vrm. I only have a UD5H myself instead of a ud3h because it was cheaper. I actually had a UD3H for a while, but i was basically paid to trade it for the ud5h.
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Wrong.
- same color scheme
- are you aware the 2nd pci-e slot is only 2.0? Gigabyte has much lower priced boards that have pci-e 3.0 on both, if not all 3, slots. Are you even planning to use SLI? This is not really that important even if you are, even pci-e 2.0 x8 runs a 2nd gpu more than fine. You are talking about something that only matters with 3 680s and only in batman arkham aslyum for like 6% and nothing in any popular game.
- do you plan to use 8hdd? If you are that's fine, that'd be a reason to get a pro or ud5h type of motherboard. that just seems insane to me, ive never used more than a single sata port on any build
- do you need a god amount of stuff on the i/o? Most of that stuff is like for the integrated graphics... you are going to be hooking up monitors to your GPUs, right? Didn't you say you were getting a graphics card? And even the LK and similarly priced boards have a 'god amount' of stuff on the back.

If you needed 8 sata ports, that would definitely be a reason why you get the Pro class board over the LK or UD3H. But it just seems a bit odd to me, i mean a single ssd is all the storage I've ever needed on any of the computer's i've built. Even if you were extreme and had 4 hdd's even the cheapest of boards have that covered. Then there's always adapters and stuff like that....

Also the UD5H should be a better board than the Pro, better pci express and better vrm. I only have a UD5H myself instead of a ud3h because it was cheaper. I actually had a UD3H for a while, but i was basically paid to trade it for the ud5h.



im getting 2 7950s
i plan on 8 harddrives (eventualy) i dont know how to work a server so thats where the INSANE amount comes from i want to do 7 hdds and 1 ssd

had a look at both pro and ud5h and i dont know you say ud5h is better. i never built a computer before i know wat works with and and fair bit of other stuff but ive never had gigabyte boards 7000 series graphics none of that so like i said i dont know

i am tempted by the ud5h because it is £3 cheaper and yes im being fussy but the pro has white which brakes up the black

i ment GOOD not GOD

if you guys want to see my list of parts so far i can post it just dont hit it with a bulldozer i have spent alot of time thinking, researching and planing what im gonna get

also if you look at the specs for pro if u have gen 3 processor then you get dual pcie x16
Edited by jameswilkes - 2/26/13 at 1:30pm
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Wrong.
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Okay....

looks like it is missing the VRM HS though

not that it is a deal breaker in my opinion, but I do prefer some better cooling
Edited by StormX2 - 2/26/13 at 1:31pm
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post #29 of 59
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i have no choice to wait because at the moment im only 1/4 of the way there

i would buy haswell just say I GOT THAT if it was the same PRICE and had better performance then yer id get it

by august i might be able to get a i7 for the same price as a 3570k

i do alot of 3d design, 2d design, phot editing, would like to do games, movies

With this information things change a bit. The i7 makes sense because of the work doing, maybe even going a step further with your budget and getting the i7 3820. Gives a little better base speed without overclocking and can have a lot more RAM in the machine if needed.

As for the choice or wait or buy, that is decided by your budget first obviously. However if I was going to wait that long I would look close at pricing and possibly go ahead with the newer design.
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im getting 2 7950s
i plan on 8 harddrives (eventualy) i dont know how to work a server so thats where the INSANE amount comes from i want to do 7 hdds and 1 ssd

had a look at both pro and ud5h and i dont know you say ud5h is better. i never built a computer before i know wat works with and and fair bit of other stuff but ive never had gigabyte boards 7000 series graphics none of that so like i said i dont know

What makes or breaks a motherboard is the Voltage Regulator Module, it feeds voltage to the CPU. A good VRM will provide clean, stable power, meaning a lower vcore for an overclock, a more stable overclock, it means less damage to your chip as the voltage fed to it is more stable instead of higher peak voltages. The VRM itself can also limit overclocks, just like a CPU, it has a max temp. A good VRM will be able to withstand a higher max temperature, it'll run cooler and more efficiently.

Just like a power supply.
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Okay....

looks like it is missing the VRM HS though

not that it is a deal breaker in my opinion, but I do prefer some better cooling

I don't know why you keep saying that, it is not and you are wrong.



If you are talking about the mosfets up top, those are the VTT, IMC, and iGPU phases. They don't really need cooling, and this board has high quality mosfets.... I mean you would have to push over 1.5, 1.6v on the VTT, IMC, or iGPU to get those over 50*C.
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