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IMHO it is def worth waiting if you can. Haswell will have many nice features over Ivy.
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IMHO it is def worth waiting if you can. Haswell will have many nice features over Ivy.

I don't think so? Nothing that most users would care for.
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had a look at both pro and ud5h and i dont know you say ud5h is better. i never built a computer before i know wat works with and and fair bit of other stuff but ive never had gigabyte boards 7000 series graphics none of that so like i said i dont know

UD5H is an insanely high quality board. It's higher quality than the UD3H, which is what has the overclock record on ivy I believe?
http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/48359-ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-extreme-ln2-section-guide-included.html

This guy, Sin0822, here's here on OCN, you can talk to him, just pm him. He reviews motherboards, and he's the only person I've seen do legitimate motherboard review (hardocp does decent reviews too but not nearly in-depth). He's pretty clear that the UD3H is extremely high quality and overkill, and much better than any other mid-range board, and even some of the high end boards. The UD5H is even better.

Since you need 7 SATA ports and whatever, I'd recommend the UD5H. The Extreme6 would also be a good choice, but the UD5H is better.

You really like to keep information away from us though. 99% of people here are just gamers and stuff, like the ud3h and i5 is overkill for even many of us. Considering your video editing needs and need for multiple drives, yea, get an i7 and ud5h. Maybe extreme6 if it's cheaper.
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also if you look at the specs for pro if u have gen 3 processor then you get dual pcie x16

Gen 3 means something different for every motherboard manufacturer, but it generally means pci 3.0 if you have ivy bridge (lol at 'gen 3 processor', ivy bridge is generation 3 though, sandy is 2...). It does NOT mean dual pci-e x16, and there's a difference in pci-e x16 2.0 and 3.0.

Generally, 'Gen 3' is slapped on p67/z68 boards, which were originally designed for sandy bridge, but can support ivy bridge with a bios update. So they are sold as 'gen 3' because they have a pci 3.0 slot or slots on them so you can do that with ivy bridge. I dont think anyone really bought p67/z68 and then bought an ivy bridge, most people just stuck with sandy because ivy wasn't much better.

However, the UD5H is unique amongst mid-range boards, in that all 3 slots are PCI-E 3.0. They are pci-e 3.0 x16/x8/x4. PCI-e 3.0 is twice as fast as pci 2.0, but so pci-e 3.0 x8 is just as fast as pci-e 2.0.

Really, all this pci-e stuff is so, so irrelevant. I know you said you were getting 2x 7950s, and pci bandwidth becomes relevant in sli and such, but it's more relevant in like quad crossfire and such, not just 2 cards, only at very extreme resolutions, and only in certain games. Like the most extreme case of pci-express bottlenecking, is TRI-SLI 680s, and only in Batman Arkham Asylum, and it's only 8%. Like in any popular game, it's such a non-issue.

Also, bandwidth changes if you have multiple cards. It's not dual x16 slots, it's 2 separate slots that can run in x16 on their own, but if you fill up both of them, they run slower.

I really wouldn't care about PCi-E issues if I were you, honestly. But if you were to care, really, the UD5H would still be your best bet.
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ok ill most probaly get the ud5h by the time i get the all the money together i might be able to be insane and get a ud7h for the same price

im trying to get as much bang for buck as possible

can i ask for opinion on this monitor
i would like to get three of these for triple surround and id be able to get them in 2 weeks time

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/236-asus-vn247h-black-widescreen-super-slim-full-hd-led-monitor-1920x1080-80m1-250cd-m-1ms-vesa
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not a bad looking monitor at all, pixel pitch is a little more than I like but that just means you wont want to sit too close to it.
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I want to get a i7 but dont know if i should get ivy bridge 1155 socket or wait for haswell
would it be worth upgrading to haswell
ive been reading and found out haswell will perform 10% better and use less power

What are the prices of the 3770k's near you?
If you can grab one for under $300.00 (ie: microcenter prices) might as well upgrade now and enjoy excellent performance now.
If prices for you are still high if you can wait, I'd wait.

When Ivy Bridge released a 3770k could be had for ~$380-420.00 USD, at least near me. If a 3770k is still at that price range for you I'd wait because most likely new Haswell will release for about the same $ amount.

That is how I am starting to make decisions when the new stuff will be releasing in a few months. I don't think performance will be a huge difference, the standard ~10% better, but the newer platform should carry you further into the distant future, and it is fun to have new toys biggrin.gif
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over here a 3770k is £268

im on a 755 mobo at the moment so yer august is my goal to have all the parts and built by the end of august

the computer itself is £1300 for monitors and sound £700
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ok ill most probaly get the ud5h by the time i get the all the money together i might be able to be insane and get a ud7h for the same price

If you can get a more expensive motherboard like the ud7h for the same price, go for it. I bought the ud5h over the ud3h because it was actually cheaper, but it will be a huge benefit as an investment.

In 2 months when I sell my computer, I'll get a LOT more for it with the ud5h instead of ud3h, yet I paid the same for it. I also got my i7 for the same reason, I found a really good deal on it. So even though that $40 more than the i5-3570k was a waste to me, it's kind of an investment because I know I will get $100 more for it, at minimum.

Think of computer parts like money, investments. They are all so easy to swap out and replace and stuff. If haswell turns out to be amazing, you can sell back your motherboard and cpu for the same price you paid for them and then get haswell.

That's how I make decisions, at least. It's how I had an Athlon II x3 computer system 6 months ago that I paid $320 for a few years ago, and then now I have an i7-3770K system and made about $100 profit in the process. I didn't need to upgrade to an i7 at all, the Athlon was more than powerful enough for my needs of starcraft2, crysis2, and streaming my gameplay at the same time in HD to justin.tv (which is way more intensive than any video game is on it's own).

But why not, as I can make a larger profit margin on this i7 system than the athlon system, so when I sell this computer in a month or two, as soon as I've finished playing with it, I might have enough extra cash that I can simply build 2 i7 systems.
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Belial, just so you know, your sig says you have an i5 3770k thumb.gif
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ha. I have an i7-3770k right on this build. the $500 one.
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ha. I have an i7-3770k right on this build. the $500 one.

i think he means you put i5-3770k in your $500 rig. simple mistake smile.gif
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Going to be chaep
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Wife's Rig
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i7-3770k Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH MSI GTX460 G.Skill TridentX 2400 2 x 4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V Corsair AX850 
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Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
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I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 Inno3D Ichill GTX660 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
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Samsung 830 128GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
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Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
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1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
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