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post #11 of 23
Yes you can change your RAM. Just ensure you set it up correctly in the bios. thumb.gif Hope I've answered your question.
post #12 of 23
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Well thanks for the answer, but no xD, my question was if i Overclock my CPU, do i need change ram too? or only cpu can be?
post #13 of 23
Only cpu can be overclocked. There's no need to also oc ram unless you want to
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Thank you for the response, all clear then, ill try change Clock till 4.0, without changing voltage, cus i think its no needed till 4.2? after 4.0 i will slowly starting change to 4.2, after 4.2 ill make 4.4 and up voltage a lil bit, after that check if its stable, run prime and Temp tests and if all good, try make 4.5 and change + a small bit of voltage and try boot, if boots, il check temps and Prime for 24 hours, after that if all good, il try play a game.

This is basicaly what i need to do?
post #15 of 23
Overclocking CPU and overclocking RAM is 2 totally separate things. When overclocking, there's a few major components:

CPU
CPU-NB aka memory controller, imc, etc (systems with bclk like intel don't let you change this)
HT Link Speed (not to be confused with ht link reference or whatever, i think this is just amd and there's no need to change this except maybe if you got like 3 gpus, even then i dont think it's necessary)
RAM (both speed and timings)
GPU

Generally, overclocking one doesn't really affect the others (although it can for cpu-nb and ram). You also overclock each on it's own, so like set everything to stock, crank up cpu. Once you got that dialed in, overclock your RAM (if you care to, cpu and gpu are really the big things to overclock) to as far as you can get it (for each step up in speed, ie 1333mhz to 1600, 2000mhz to 2133mhz, try not to loosen ram more than one for each major timing, ie 2000 CL8-8-8-24 > 1866 CL9-9-9-26 but not by much at all). Then overclock GPU. They all work independently.

You dont need to increase ram with cpu, or ram with cpu. But it is nice to overclock both of them. So see what your CPU can do, once you figure that out, say 4.5ghz, keep it at that, and then increase ram. Or, keep cpu at stock and play with ram, then make sure both are stable together (like i said, they usually don't limit eachother but i mean sometimes you might have something going on, you always want to test for total system stability). CPU first because it's the most important (ie 4ghz 1333mhz >>>> 3.9ghz 2000mhz ram).

If you have a K edition CPU there's no reason not to overclock to 4.5ghz-5.1ghz. A locked Cpu can be overclocked to 4ghz, it would be silly to do such a minor overclock. It depends on what you do, if you play a non-cpu intensive game like crysis then cpu overclock isn't a big deal, gpu overclock is really what is important, but if you play cpu intensive games like starcraft, total war, then yea it makes a huge difference to go from 4ghz to 4.2ghz. Personally I both play and stream my games, and streaming is extremely cpu intensive, not to mention the games I play are very hard on the cpu, particularly single threaded performance (ie speed over core count), so every 100mhz is noticeable to me.

If I were you, on a new chip, I'd see if I can do like 4.7ghz@1.35v, a very conservative overclock on a good overclock (ie good chips that can do more will pass it, bad chips won't). You really want to get 24 hours passed on stock to make sure there is nothing faulty in your system (all faulty hardware I've ever had that I had to rma, could pass at least 12 hours of prime95, and then would fail at like 14+ hours). You just want to see the limits of your chip. Just write down every frequency and voltage you do, compare to results in the OC clubs and online and such, see what your chip can do.

Like I tested 4.8ghz@1.4vcore, a fairly high voltage for chips good enough to do 4.8, but just to make sure this chip was good. Then I tried 4.9@1.4, it failed, so then I tested 4.9@1.45, it passed. I also played with the ram, it was stock 2000 mhz CL7-10-8-27 1.65v. I try 2400mhz, nope, had to loosen timings to 8-12-8-28 1.75v, it could pass like an hour of p95, I keep playing with tightening the lesser timings, try less voltage, that wouldn't work, eventually I figured out how tight I could get the secondary and tertiary timings, now I run p95 again for 24 hours, see if I can do 8/12/8/28 @ 1.75v with the secondary and tertiary timings set to a particular level.

It's all about how much time and effort you are willing to put into it. You get diminshing returns, like cpu clock is a big deal, but after that ram overclocking really isn't huge (for me it's noticeable, not as noticeable as 100mhz but still a big deal). You can play around and go as far as testing how far you can get trfc, nope 90 isn't stable, try 98, try 133, i mean it's up to you how fine tuned you want to make it all.
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post #16 of 23
Also, another great board at a great price is the Asrock Extreme4. Many people here on OCN have the 3570k /extreme4 combo and are very happy with it as you'll probably see.
 
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post #17 of 23
^ Dunno about that, there are lots of reported throttling because the VRM gets too hot on it, and it's worse compared to every other similarly priced board except maybe the MSI Z77X-G45. I'd strongly recommend against the extreme4 unless you can pay under $70 for it and no other board is similar in price.

If you're by microcenter, the p8z77-v lk is the best bet at $59 bundle price. Otherwise the gigabyte z77-d3h i think is the best value for around $110.
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post #18 of 23
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Belial, thank you for explaining me about OC ^.^ Now i can understand what i should need to do.

Im going with Gigabyte UD3H ( i think its UD,, dont remember and not in My pc at the moment )

All Answers all good, btw, if all goes wrong, how i can put all back in stock??
post #19 of 23
remove the battery, cmos reset (ud3h has a cmos reset button on it), in bios there's a setting to return everything to defaults, flash bios.... its pretty easy, you'll know when you get your board.

Why the ud3h? I wouldn't pay more for the ud3h over the d3h unless there was some special. newegg has the d3h at a really good price, as does amazon, but i dont see the ud3h on sale anywhere for a good price.
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post #20 of 23
Great overclock write-up belial. Short and to the point. You covered about everything in basic language everyone can understand. You only forgot 1 thing. Reinstall windows or use the back-up if you made 1. Bsod's especially constant bsod's from stress testing will bork your windows install to a point of no return.
And always install windows on stock clocks. It minimizes possible errors and doesnt take any longer than overclocked.

Yep stay away from the analog vrm's of the extreme4. Its not a good board.
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