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First news Post so I hope I get this right:

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"This business has not been in a state of transition like it is right now since the video game crash of the '80s," Bleszinski said. "I really think we're in a massive state of turmoil. I think Nintendo could possibly be faced with the situation of becoming a company that only makes software moving forward. I think Sony and Microsoft are about to come to major blows. But at the same time, people love playing games on their iPad. The PC is going through a wonderful renaissance right now. I think we're ready to do digital download games all the time...I just want to see what happens. In regards to the industry, it's like the Super Smash Bros. of business right now, and I want to see if Peach or Mario wins."


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Interesting read, saw it on TH's news thread first, but the orginal article is from Industry Gamers, so that is source 1 and soruce 2 in the TH post. Bleszinski makes some good points based off insight from a directors PoV in the industry. I've seen what he talks about as in the Gamers article, and wondered how many of our peers have noticed the same thing?
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He makes an excellent point about MS and Sony having closed systems which puts their ecosystems out of reach for some developers, particularly indies. The certification process and especially the amount it costs to get a game certified for the Xbox and Playstation is just ridiculous. Not to mention that each patch needs to be certified and basically, it pushes a lot of indie titles out of the market on those consoles.

What he says about Nintendo is really interesting. It honestly wouldnt surprise me. They have almost no third party support and as we saw with the Wii. Took massive losses towards the end of the console cycle and with the 3DS not selling all that great and WiiU struggling. Could be trouble brewing.
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First news Post so I hope I get this right:
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Interesting read, saw it on TH's news thread first, but the orginal article is from Industry Gamers, so that is source 1 and soruce 2 in the TH post. Bleszinski makes some good points based off insight from a directors PoV in the industry. I've seen what he talks about as in the Gamers article, and wondered how many of our peers have noticed the same thing?

Lost me when he said:

" I think Nintendo could possibly be faced with the situation of becoming a company that only makes software moving forward. "

Yup, Wii U just came out - not only that... gotta dig up that quote again from Nintendo (it's probably off a little, but the point is the same):

"We will stop making software when we stop making hardware"

Never understood why people always jump and assume nintendo will be first dead in the water yet they are the most financially secure from a purely game console perspective. They can bleed money and be fine for the next 30 years. You know why? They didn't waste money creating giant, overheating consoles that cost a ton more to make then they make in profit.
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He makes What he says about Nintendo is really interesting. It honestly wouldnt surprise me. They have almost no third party support and as we saw with the Wii. Took massive losses towards the end of the console cycle and with the 3DS not selling all that great and WiiU struggling. Could be trouble brewing.

Maybe we live in different dimensions, but how is the 3ds not selling well? And the Wii U is doing no worse then ps3 or 360 were at launch, if anything it's doing better sales wise and not costing them nearly as much money to produce..

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Of my own opinion here, I do agree that the gaming industry is in a bit of turmoil. My take on it is far more simple - too much focus on strictly graphics which is now beyond the point of diminishing return (sure, we enthusiasts can tell between 4x MSAA and none, or higher texture qualities, etc. but most can't or don't look for it).

Not only that, games are extremely expensive to produce and to top it.. honestly it's getting stale. I'm sick of COD 1,2,3,54,56,65,7547478548 and all the other yearly milked released with no thought put into them.

We are at an odd stage in the gaming realm thats for sure.

Just hope things like the rift gain some ground, that can definitely revitalize the industry.
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He makes an excellent point about MS and Sony having closed systems which puts their ecosystems out of reach for some developers, particularly indies. The certification process and especially the amount it costs to get a game certified for the Xbox and Playstation is just ridiculous. Not to mention that each patch needs to be certified and basically, it pushes a lot of indie titles out of the market on those consoles.

What he says about Nintendo is really interesting. It honestly wouldnt surprise me. They have almost no third party support and as we saw with the Wii. Took massive losses towards the end of the console cycle and with the 3DS not selling all that great and WiiU struggling. Could be trouble brewing.

Agreed fully. Its like because of apples closed system success to many people are trying to jump on that band wagon. Which in the end will be bad for the consumer and bad for developers as it will stifle innovations. Open source and F2P, when done right, can make just as much as that 60 dollar retail version, some times even more so when it comes to modding and customization.

I've always felt Nintendo was a better software company than hardware. Thats not to say their hardware was bad, it just their software is far more memorable, especially after we factor in nostalgia- Specifically Mario and Zelda titles, and to a lesser degree Metroid. As Bleszinski kind of hints at, it might be a better option for them to "dump" their hardware development, and focus on making their software available on more platforms. A good "case in point" is the wii emulators that can be found allowing people to play wii games on pc. While my family does own a wii, i'm impatient and find firing up the emulator and playing on my pc a better option, then fighting over who's turn it is.

P.S. I keep calling it software as in essence that's all a game really is.
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Lost me when he said:

" I think Nintendo could possibly be faced with the situation of becoming a company that only makes software moving forward. "

Yup, Wii U just came out - not only that... gotta dig up that quote again from Nintendo (it's probably off a little, but the point is the same):

"We will stop making software when we stop making hardware"

Never understood why people always jump and assume nintendo will be first dead in the water yet they are the most financially secure from a purely game console perspective. They can bleed money and be fine for the next 30 years. You know why? They didn't waste money creating giant, overheating consoles that cost a ton more to make then they make in profit.
Maybe we live in different dimensions, but how is the 3ds not selling well? And the Wii U is doing no worse then ps3 or 360 were at launch, if anything it's doing better sales wise and not costing them nearly as much money to produce..

__

Of my own opinion here, I do agree that the gaming industry is in a bit of turmoil. My take on it is far more simple - too much focus on strictly graphics which is now beyond the point of diminishing return (sure, we enthusiasts can tell between 4x MSAA and none, or higher texture qualities, etc. but most can't or don't look for it).

Not only that, games are extremely expensive to produce and to top it.. honestly it's getting stale. I'm sick of COD 1,2,3,54,56,65,7547478548 and all the other yearly milked released with no thought put into them.

We are at an odd stage in the gaming realm thats for sure.

Just hope things like the rift gain some ground, that can definitely revitalize the industry.

I took to long to make my frist post so I missed this:

If by rift you mean the Oculos Rift, then I agree. There was an article some where on these forums or somewhere else that talked about the "next stage" of gaming. Giving notion that VR is that next stage. Which I agree with. The top end ethusiast all seek a surround/eyefinity setup to get a more "immersive" experience. VR head sets could push that a little bit farther. The final step would be... suspension apparatuses that could account for flight/water movements as well as take into account the player running, aiming, etc. Which, IMO, would be a phenomenal step forward for the gaming crowd. Imagine playing bf3 based on a VR suspension setup.... all that running and moving would certainly be a work out, and thus lowering the health risk for that gamer, especially when we do it for hour son end.

On the flip side to that notion though, would be the risk of being unable to "unplug" and rejoin society, go to the bathroom, work, eat, sleep, etc. Would assuredly be a double edged sword.
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I really couldn't give a flip what this guy thinks. I've hated him since day one, I don't know why but just do.
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I really couldn't give a flip what this guy thinks. I've hated him since day one, I don't know why but just do.

That is fine and all, but at least try to contribute to the thread a bit more. IE: you acknowledge that the industry is in a state of change, which could lead to x, y or z being a/b/or c.
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I hope another crash comes in the next year or two,the slate needs to be wiped clean.
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I don't think Nintendo will die, They're not in direct competition with Sony or MS. Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendos largest competitor was Lego, Mattelcoming in at second.

I agree with the guy, closing down systems, raising bars and general "quality facism" will be their undoing. It's one thing to demand a certain level of something and heavy certification processes for AAA games, a whole other to do it with small independent studios or does not so AAA but still good titles from larger publishers. The process is just a waste of money.
 
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I'll be honest, this post is probably very uninformed, but from what I've seen and read in news headlines(yep), it doesn't surprise me. When a company spends most of their resources comabtting piracy rather than working on quality, WHILE still making profit,...this is what happens.
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