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The gaming industry does seem to be going through a bit of an identity crisis, I'll give him that. I think the biggest issues with Sony and MS is they can't decide where they want to go with their consoles: either stick to games as their main focus, or try to create an all-in-one machine that does everything. The pluses and minuses for both sides are pretty obvious I think, they just haven't decided which side is more profitable in the long run. Hopefully with this new console generation they'll stop playing middle of the road and pick a side.

Being mainly a PC gamer, I can definitely confirm that the market is flourishing. PC gaming provides the best graphics in a graphics focused gaming world (currently) and I don't think I could ever go back to playing shooters on the console. But from what Sony showed at its press conference, I am interested to see the actual hardware and what devs can do with it. If those tech demos were close to accurate, it looks like a good future in terms of graphics thumb.gif
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I'm sick of COD 1,2,3,54,56,65,7547478548 and all the other yearly milked released with no thought put into them.

^This, there's barely any originality anymore because publishers are afraid to take chances on new IP (again with the identity crisis)
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I fail to see how not making hardware makes you more profitable?

They'd have to increase their team size and deal with multiple platforms to program for while paying royalties = increased cost

Other consoles have more piracy issues = losses

No profits from hardware sales = losses...

Going 3rd party is far from ideal. Look how good Sega did from it and they were in FAR FAR worse shape then Nintendo.

I can't name one benefit to going third party except more sales on a mixed range of platforms, but that definitely doesn't mean more sales. They have major IP's locked down on their hardware, that's a great place to be.

It's not just flipping a switch and they're not there yet. However, their home console doesn't get excessive income from royalties since they lack major 3rd party games and hardware sales are barely profitable until 5-6 years into a generation. Cutting the R&D and production departments of their Home Console division (or selling them to M$/Sony) is cutting huge costs while only losing small profits. I don't think anyone sane expects them to leave handhelds for another 2-3 generations until smartphone saturation reaches the youngest generation.

But the biggest problem Nintendo faces IS that youngest generation of gamers. They've got them hooked on handheld games, but getting that to translate into Wii U sales is hard when their handheld Zelda/Mario/Metroid games are very different from their console version. Those major IPs being locked to their consoles are a double edged sword, as while they do drive sales, they don't drive sales to people who have never played those franchises on a home console. The people who grew up on Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask/Mario 64/Mario Sunshine/Metroid Prime and have moved onto the far more populated consoles are a hard sell on a console where you'd basically be buying it for one or two games. When you've only got the funds for one console choice, Nintendo's offerings fall flat on value unless you're already addicted to their main franchises. Nintendo's market is only shrinking for their major IPs. The people who bought the Wii because of how easy to play it is aren't going to be Zelda or Metroid fanatics.

There comes a point where their market research teams might find that they'd see a 500%+ increase in first party franchise sales if they were only on the other consoles. That's the point where they'd go third party, when the COD generation is just too large to be segregated from.
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It's not just flipping a switch and they're not there yet. However, their home console doesn't get excessive income from royalties since they lack major 3rd party games and hardware sales are barely profitable until 5-6 years into a generation. Cutting the R&D and production departments of their Home Console division (or selling them to M$/Sony) is cutting huge costs while only losing small profits. I don't think anyone sane expects them to leave handhelds for another 2-3 generations until smartphone saturation reaches the youngest generation.

But the biggest problem Nintendo faces IS that youngest generation of gamers. They've got them hooked on handheld games, but getting that to translate into Wii U sales is hard when their handheld Zelda/Mario/Metroid games are very different from their console version. Those major IPs being locked to their consoles are a double edged sword, as while they do drive sales, they don't drive sales to people who have never played those franchises on a home console. The people who grew up on Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask/Mario 64/Mario Sunshine/Metroid Prime and have moved onto the far more populated consoles are a hard sell on a console where you'd basically be buying it for one or two games. When you've only got the funds for one console choice, Nintendo's offerings fall flat on value unless you're already addicted to their main franchises. Nintendo's market is only shrinking for their major IPs. The people who bought the Wii because of how easy to play it is aren't going to be Zelda or Metroid fanatics.

There comes a point where their market research teams might find that they'd see a 500%+ increase in first party franchise sales if they were only on the other consoles. That's the point where they'd go third party, when the COD generation is just too large to be segregated from.

Indeed. However, at the same time I have a feeling that Nintendo is well aware of the somewhat slowing (and neither of us have proof of that, I still see tons of kids saying they love mario and zelda's, etc. but with no raw numbers its hard to say). This said, I think Nintendo's next gen console after Wii U will be a hybrid system. It will be both a home console and a handheld. Think about the direction most people are going, mobile, light weight, easy to use and adaptable.

If they can successfully implement the hardware in the Wii U like it is now to stream and sync so smoothly I definitely forsee them having a powerful handheld console that can be plugged into a hdmi port on your pc and run directly from it besides a separate power source that would be included to charge it.

This will allow gaming on the go but at the same time not detract gaming while at home with available wireless controllers you just keep there instead of a whole console.

I actually see this becoming more common after this gen due to the very fast rise of tablet based games and phones. And I hate gaming on tablets and phones myself, they are all 99cent garbage pickup and throw away games, atleast any ive tried thus far. Besides, strictly touch screen controls will never properly replace a controller.

This said, the next decade of gaming will indeed see some major changes. I just hope for the good of gaming because to be quite frank, this current generation of 'mainstream games' (think CoD, assasins creed, etc.) are killing the industry due to a complete lack of innovation. Same thing I see happening to the iphone eventually, the 'new and shiny with a higher model number" effect will wear off eventually.
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Indeed. However, at the same time I have a feeling that Nintendo is well aware of the somewhat slowing (and neither of us have proof of that, I still see tons of kids saying they love mario and zelda's, etc. but with no raw numbers its hard to say). This said, I think Nintendo's next gen console after Wii U will be a hybrid system. It will be both a home console and a handheld. Think about the direction most people are going, mobile, light weight, easy to use and adaptable.

If they can successfully implement the hardware in the Wii U like it is now to stream and sync so smoothly I definitely forsee them having a powerful handheld console that can plugged into a hdmi port on your pc and run directly from it besides a seperate power source that would be included to charge it.

This will allow gaming on the go but at the same time not detract gaming while at home with available wireless controllers.

I actually see this becoming more common after this gen due to the very fast rise of tablet based games and phones. And I hate gaming on tablets and phones myself, they are all 99cent garbage pickup and throw away games, atleast any ive tried thus far. Besides, strictly touch screen controls will never properly replace a controller.

This said, the next decade of gaming will indeed see some major changes. I just hope for the good of gaming because to be quite frank, this current generation of 'mainstream games' (think CoD, assasins creed, etc.) are killing the industry due to a complete lack of innovation. Same thing I see happening to the iphone eventually, the 'new and shiny with a higher model number" effect will wear off eventually.

From what I saw of the Wii U... it is that hybrid "console" your talking about... just not as vast as say a "Nintendo Wii..... "tablet"/"pad"". Also, Sony already had the concept behind the Wii U years ago, when you could play ps2 games on your ps2... via your PsP. which was later updated to work with the ps3, just as the Vita does now.

Going back a bit to the short discussion between Apocalypse and SoloCamo. Say if Nintendo did drop their hardware sector, they'd loose small revenue and loose a big development costs. Thing is development costs wouldn't really be lost, but more or less shifted for the development of other systems, but the small revenue lost in hardware, would more than be made up for in software sales. However, they don't really have to drop the hardware portion all that much, just give it a little re-purposing. Say, make controllers and what not for their games for OTHER hardware systems, including pc. Like I said the emulator for the hardware/software is already out there, and its fairly good. Nintendo could just easly higher these open source guys developing the emulator, and give them a bit more staff so it could be ported to the other consoles and VIOLA Nintendo games on xbox console... and done so with out the hassle of royalties, as its a bit of software, no different that putting vlc on your xbox (heard of being done).
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Somewhat disagree. When publishers get lazy, or developers, you get a subpar product. One bad expensive title can take down a dev studio, especially if its a failed AAA title.

I dont think the crowd that plays Farmville, is the same crowd that plays Crysis 3. I think its smart to give consumers more choices, but make sure you know who you are targeting.

Sloppy post, and I apologize. Brain is fried today. (from overtime, not drugs)
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From what I saw of the Wii U... it is that hybrid "console" your talking about... just not as vast as say a "Nintendo Wii..... "tablet"/"pad"". Also, Sony already had the concept behind the Wii U years ago, when you could play ps2 games on your ps2... via your PsP. which was later updated to work with the ps3, just as the Vita does now.

Yes and no. The only problem with the Wii U is the range isn't that good so it's not like you can literally take the controller out and about like you can with a standard phone or tablet. If they can have it setup with a dock at home (thus having the additional controllers stationary when not needed) and allow it be brought out around the world if you so choose that would be ideal and I feel is the direction a lot of next gen will be going in after this round.

I feel this round is the final round of consoles as we've known them. Interesting times ahead.
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Yes and no. The only problem with the Wii U is the range isn't that good so it's not like you can literally take the controller out and about like you can with a standard phone or tablet. If they can have it setup with a dock at home (thus having the additional controllers stationary when not needed) and allow it be brought out around the world if you so choose that would be ideal and I feel is the direction a lot of next gen will be going in after this round.

I feel this round is the final round of consoles as we've known them. Interesting times ahead.

that's what i meant, its not a tablet/pad so its not a true mobility "console" so to say, but it is that sort of hybrid console starting point, that foot in the door.. not that they really need it as they've already done will with all their Gameboy "flavors".
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People have been predicted the end of Nintendo consoles since they began producing them. Every generation is a successful surprise. I read an article off pulse (which of course I cannot find now) that had about 30 quotes/predictions from well knowns in the industry from years past stating they believe Nintendo would go third party blah blah... Here were are at the Wii U how many years later?

Successful suprise? I'm pretty sure the N64's LACK of success was a bit of a suprise, but not the other way around. Nintendo has faced its fair share of blunders, just as Sony, Microsoft and Sega (And other defunct manufacturers) have. I don't believe the GameCube faired that well either (I'm speaking of marketshare here, not losing money.)

And before you call me a hater, I'll just let you know that the N64 is probably my favorite console of all time, personally. I really grew up on that thing, and have tons of memories. I remember opening a huge box that Christmas, and finding another box packed inside. I open that box, and inside is yet another box. Wait, what's that on the box? A 3D N?! IS IT REALLY? Ha ha, I'll never forget. Even so, my beloved N64 struggled in sales due to several issues, and at least one of those issues still remains today: Nintendo's lack of 3rd party support.

Now, Nintendo likely won't go defunct any time soon. Dispite what you may think, the Wii was a huge success (Far moreso than XBox and PS3) in both units sold and profit. Yes, it trailed off at the end, thanks to its weak hardware. Nintendo was already working on the follow up in the Wii U. Its sales have slowed, but will likely pick up before the holidays, since there will most likely be a price drop to combat the Sony and MS releases.

In the further future, though, It could be so. It's nearly imposible to make accurate predictions about anything in the future when it comes to consoles. The N64 and PS3 were fairly suprising disapointments. The XBox 360 and PSX were both suprising successes. It seems like every generation brings with it suprises.
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Successful suprise? I'm pretty sure the N64's LACK of success was a bit of a suprise, but not the other way around. Nintendo has faced its fair share of blunders, just as Sony, Microsoft and Sega (And other defunct manufacturers) have. I don't believe the GameCube faired that well either (I'm speaking of marketshare here, not losing money.)

And before you call me a hater, I'll just let you know that the N64 is probably my favorite console of all time, personally. I really grew up on that thing, and have tons of memories. I remember opening a huge box that Christmas, and finding another box packed inside. I open that box, and inside is yet another box. Wait, what's that on the box? A 3D N?! IS IT REALLY? Ha ha, I'll never forget. Even so, my beloved N64 struggled in sales due to several issues, and at least one of those issues still remains today: Nintendo's lack of 3rd party support.

Now, Nintendo likely won't go defunct any time soon. Dispite what you may think, the Wii was a huge success (Far moreso than XBox and PS3) in both units sold and profit. Yes, it trailed off at the end, thanks to its weak hardware. Nintendo was already working on the follow up in the Wii U. Its sales have slowed, but will likely pick up before the holidays, since there will most likely be a price drop to combat the Sony and MS releases.

In the further future, though, It could be so. It's nearly imposible to make accurate predictions about anything in the future when it comes to consoles. The N64 and PS3 were fairly suprising disapointments. The XBox 360 and PSX were both suprising successes. It seems like every generation brings with it suprises.

You hit the nail on the head here. After both the N64 and GameCube were not nearly as successful as predicted we ended up with them going for a different style, hence the Wii and it paid off. If they are to compete with Sony and MS on a strictly graphics/features front they would fair no better then the n64 and GC did. They want to let Sony and MS battle to the death on that front and reap the rewards of a cheaper to produce console aimed at the masses.

Not only that, but if recent trends are to be followed xbox '3' will not do well. Consider this, for standard home consoles the 3rd always didn't do nearly as well as the others.

Famicon (NES) > SNES > N64

PS1 > PS2 > PS3

Xbox > 360 > ???

The third gens of a brand always seem to 'flop' in comparison to the others. Of course that's superstition and I'm not one to believe in it, but it's an odd thing to notice.
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People have been expecting Nintendo to go third party since the Gamecube, and it's just pure Nintendo bashing bias. Nintendo perpetually producing the top selling handheld in the industry means nothing to these people, and neither does Nintendo having just produced their most popular home console ever. They are in an incredibly good position right now.
If the PS4 flops Sony will be out of the videogame industry just as quickly (if not faster) than Nintendo would. Sony can't afford to sink billions upon billions of dollars into their console division anymore. With all the cuts Sony has been making recently I doubt they would continue on further than one failed console.
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