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You hit the nail on the head here. After both the N64 and GameCube were not nearly as successful as predicted we ended up with them going for a different style, hence the Wii and it paid off. If they are to compete with Sony and MS on a strictly graphics/features front they would fair no better then the n64 and GC did. They want to let Sony and MS battle to the death on that front and reap the rewards of a cheaper to produce console aimed at the masses.

Not only that, but if recent trends are to be followed xbox '3' will not do well. Consider this, for standard home consoles the 3rd always didn't do nearly as well as the others.

Famicon (NES) > SNES > N64

PS1 > PS2 > PS3

Xbox > 360 > ???

The third gens of a brand always seem to 'flop' in comparison to the others. Of course that's superstition and I'm not one to believe in it, but it's an odd thing to notice.

Actually if memory served, the n64 was received quite well... and for that year, at xmas, was the console to get. It was the game cube that I remember flopping and not being received well. Think the PS2 was launched around the same time, along with FF-X (the first one) which really boosted the ps2 sales, along with the carry over success of Metal Gear from the ps1- making that year's console to get the ps2. Not 100% sure, I know that when the game cube and ps2 came out... I still rocked the n64 because of smash bro's.
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Actually if memory served, the n64 was received quite well... and for that year, at xmas, was the console to get. It was the game cube that I remember flopping and not being received well. Think the PS2 was launched around the same time, along with FF-X (the first one) which really boosted the ps2 sales, along with the carry over success of Metal Gear from the ps1- making that year's console to get the ps2. Not 100% sure, I know that when the game cube and ps2 came out... I still rocked the n64 because of smash bro's.

The N64 began really strong, but after a year third party support began to dwindle because of of the cartridge and the huge royalties that Nintendo took on each game. It still sold quite well in the grand scheme of things (33 millions) but the PS1 sold considerably more (102 millions).

Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy switching to Sony was the main reason in Japan, and the lack of Tomb Raider, Resident Evil and so on made it less popular in the West. Interestingly, before FF7 was released, the Saturn was selling better in Japan than the PS1 did, but the Saturn flopped everywhere else (most of the good games stayed in Japan and Sega USA outright said that "the Saturn isn't our future).


The Gamecube began really strong in the US and even better in Europe, but third-parties also deserted it because they realised their games just didn't sell on it, only Nintendo games and a few exclusives were successful on it. I briefly worked in a game store in that time and I was really surprised to almost never sell any Gamecube games besides first party ones. PS2 games were selling like crazy and Xbox ones weren't doing too bad.

It came last in sales with 22 million units (24 for the Xbox and 155 millions for the PS2).
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The only turmoil I can see is that with the improved tech comes the needs for higher budgets to make the most of it.

Developers would be more than happy to not have to spend extra hours creating hi(gher)-res textures, advanced AI algorithms, integrating OS native features (streaming/remote play or "help" etc), for the same or even less pay/initial revenue that they were getting from making basic games last gen.

As it stands, they'll be under strain to spend more money than before to try and make the same money they were making before, especially when high initial costs of consoles have shown to be highly detrimental to getting the entire eco system moving.

Which is why Wii did so well.


Also, if the capabilities/construction of PS4/XboxWhatever are similar in any way, then the only thing that will be able to separate them is their quality of overall service as most devs will want to just release on both.
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Successful suprise? I'm pretty sure the N64's LACK of success was a bit of a suprise, but not the other way around. Nintendo has faced its fair share of blunders, just as Sony, Microsoft and Sega (And other defunct manufacturers) have. I don't believe the GameCube faired that well either (I'm speaking of marketshare here, not losing money.)

And before you call me a hater, I'll just let you know that the N64 is probably my favorite console of all time, personally. I really grew up on that thing, and have tons of memories. I remember opening a huge box that Christmas, and finding another box packed inside. I open that box, and inside is yet another box. Wait, what's that on the box? A 3D N?! IS IT REALLY? Ha ha, I'll never forget. Even so, my beloved N64 struggled in sales due to several issues, and at least one of those issues still remains today: Nintendo's lack of 3rd party support.

Now, Nintendo likely won't go defunct any time soon. Dispite what you may think, the Wii was a huge success (Far moreso than XBox and PS3) in both units sold and profit. Yes, it trailed off at the end, thanks to its weak hardware. Nintendo was already working on the follow up in the Wii U. Its sales have slowed, but will likely pick up before the holidays, since there will most likely be a price drop to combat the Sony and MS releases.

In the further future, though, It could be so. It's nearly imposible to make accurate predictions about anything in the future when it comes to consoles. The N64 and PS3 were fairly suprising disapointments. The XBox 360 and PSX were both suprising successes. It seems like every generation brings with it suprises.

Firstly:
NINTENDO 64???? (Click to show)

the memories right?


Secondly:
at least IMO the N64 and the rest of the competition were quite balanced and might even say equal overall market wise. PS1 had this but N64 had that, the only differences. (for example goldeneye vs the good castlevania games)


Thirdly:
Nintendo succeeds in every generation in a way. whether it's sales, games or innovation they have their success and they drive the market forward most of the time. (let alone save it)
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Note to Cliff: Just because you made one good game series doesn't make you a know it all God amongst gamers. Example = John Carmack
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Cliff is a professional troll now.
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Opinions aren't news; moved.

I've been expecting a new crash myself for a while now and each year game devs do just enough to hold one off. This year looks really good, though, so if there's going to be a games crash, it won't be for a little while longer.
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Note to Cliff: Just because you made one good game series doesn't make you a farking know it all God amongst gamers. Example = John Carmack

Question is would you be more willing to take what was said had it come from Gabe Newell? Gabe has what 3 widely successful games under his belt, Half Life Series, Portal, Left 4 dead, and what were originally MODS for half life? John has what the Quake, Doom, Wolfen Stine. Quake being the Father to ALL modern Fps as it was the first that could be played over a network. ID was Also far more widely successful before Valve came into the spot light.

I'll agree that Cliff doesn't really have a lot of head room considering he only has what... gears of war under his belt, which only did well on the ps3 (right?). To say he's Equal to the Innovator that not only brought FPS's its stardom, but helped to propel the fps multiplayer to where it is today is kind of rude. Imo, research a bit more before making a half assed comment that all in all doesn't progress the discussion in the thread.

Can all be said to you FlClimax, its fine to not agree with what was said, but just calling some one a troll doesn't progress the discussion OR show any signs of intellectual thought.
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Opinions aren't news; moved.

I've been expecting a crash myself for a while now and each year game devs do just enough to hold one off. This year looks really good, though, so if there's going to be a games crash, it won't be for a little while longer.

Wasn't sure, but because of the nature in which TH portrayed IG's article on Cliff's thought, I felt it might be "news" worthy. TH's article more.... news-ish then the IG article. None the less, thank your for your assistance!
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Question is would you be more willing to take what was said had it come from Gabe Newell? .

yes, very much so.
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