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Ok ok, let me try and get a breath.

Max TDP of my system will be 800W, and that's the most extreme I can figure it would be.
3570k + 5830 + 5830 + 7770 + maybe 7970 this weekend. All OC'ed

I want to get this Radiator:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12552/ex-rad-211/Watercool_MO-RA3_9_x_140mm_LT_Extreme_Radiator_-_Black_Powder_Coat_22100.html?tl=g30c95s667

And this pump:
http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/catalog/product/view/id/1298/

I will find a old quarium or some sort of seal box with an open top for the reservoir.

CPU block:
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p10253_Aquacomputer-cuplex-kryos-PRO-for-sockets-1oe-1156-1155-775--G1-4.html

GPU blocks:
Probably going with the universal EK water blocks and some little heat sinks for the stuff the universal does not cover.


So, first. Is this pump above powerful enough for the system/radiator? That is can it pump enough water to cool everything?
On the other hand, is this pump to big and fast? Will it pump to well to let the water get heated by the chip? If so, any way I could slow it down? (I figure just get a resistor for the motor, or find something to restrict the flow maybe kink a line permanently).

Will this radiator dissipate enough heat? Does it not dissipate enough?


See my delima guise. I cannot decide, I lean either way for both items I'd like to get, I either think they'll both work or they'll both fail. I am not sure..

Also, I am not looking for some perfect answer. If they will get it done (and you can tell this from experience not gut feelings) just let me know! I have done the research I am just trying to check it with others experience.



EDIT: Just saw this
Link to what I seen
":: 1046 is extremely quiet but has low flow rates and not worth buying.
:: Eheim 1048 has better performance than 1046 and barely any noiser.
:: Eheim 1250 is much larger, known to vibrate and hum that is noticeable in a PC case, and gets decent flow rates.
:: Don’t get the 1260. "

Why not the 1260? It is not powerful enough or this guy just thinks its too loud?
Edited by SkeeterSkeeter - 2/27/13 at 7:48am
    
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WTH are you trying to build a reactor of some sorts?
The pump is a Huge one, who knows maybe it can even cool your car. (Think you will be fine but don't use on high)
The Rad should be enough to kill the heat, make sure you have some decent fans on it though.
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WTH are you trying to build a reactor of some sorts?
The pump is a Huge one, who knows maybe it can even cool your car. (Think you will be fine but don't use on high)
The Rad should be enough to kill the heat, make sure you have some decent fans on it though.

You think that pump is too big/powerful? Why would that guy (from my edit in the OP) say not to buy it?

Also you say don't use it on high, are you familiar with this eheim product line, does it have a speed setting?

So its too big, out of the pumps here (below) what is the smallest I could go and still have a good amount of overkill. The 1048?
http://www.marinedepot.com/pumps_eheim_universal_hobby_powerheads-ap.html


The radiator, good though? Think it can dissipate 4 OC GPU's and 1 OC CPU? Probably never all running at full load together, but maybe pretty close!



And well a building reactor no... It needs to cool my reactor. See inside the newer i5 3570K's they place a small NFC (Nuclear Fusion Core), which is where heavy radioactive ion enter ones side and out the other side come the solution to Non-deterministic Polynomially problems. So essentially yes a reactor I am making.
    
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You think that pump is too big/powerful? Why would that guy (from my edit in the OP) say not to buy it?

Also you say don't use it on high, are you familiar with this eheim product line, does it have a speed setting?

So its too big, out of the pumps here (below) what is the smallest I could go and still have a good amount of overkill. The 1048?
http://www.marinedepot.com/pumps_eheim_universal_hobby_powerheads-ap.html


The radiator, good though? Think it can dissipate 4 OC GPU's and 1 OC CPU? Probably never all running at full load together, but maybe pretty close!



And well a building reactor no... It needs to cool my reactor. See inside the newer i5 3570K's they place a small NFC (Nuclear Fusion Core), which is where heavy radioactive ion enter ones side and out the other side come the solution to Non-deterministic Polynomially problems. So essentially yes a reactor I am making.

Gotta Remember this thread biggrin.gif

But yeah the pump just seems HUGE, Never used it at all.
On the reviews everybody say they absolutely love it. I say get it, not to mention your damn setup.

The rad is actually very good for your setup, 9x120 that's up to 6-7 Components. Including OC.
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I mean I guess the problem I am running into deciding is how much GalPerMin do I need from my pump for X radiator size? Then I also have to add in the restrictiveness of the water blocks, which I can only get from testing, which to do I need them, and I wont buy them till I know which I want.... see my issue lol.

But hell, if this seems too big or a reactor or just massive. Then good it works for me. I want to make the system once and not have to ever upgrade it (within reason). Measure twice, build once, and don't spill any damn water!


EDIT: Than I come across something like this http://www.customaquatic.com/estore/control/product/~product=WP-KSP5000A and wonder why I would pay $100 more for the eheim. What is the difference? O well. I've thrown money at the ground before and I'll keep doing it the rest of my life!
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Ok ok, let me try and get a breath.

Max TDP of my system will be 800W, and that's the most extreme I can figure it would be.
3570k + 5830 + 5830 + 7770 + maybe 7970 this weekend. All OC'ed

-snip-

Is this for a Bitcoin farm?
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I mean I guess the problem I am running into deciding is how much GalPerMin do I need from my pump for X radiator size? Then I also have to add in the restrictiveness of the water blocks, which I can only get from testing, which to do I need them, and I wont buy them till I know which I want.... see my issue lol.

But hell, if this seems too big or a reactor or just massive. Then good it works for me. I want to make the system once and not have to ever upgrade it (within reason). Measure twice, build once, and don't spill any damn water!


EDIT: Than I come across something like this http://www.customaquatic.com/estore/control/product/~product=WP-KSP5000A and wonder why I would pay $100 more for the eheim. What is the difference? O well. I've thrown money at the ground before and I'll keep doing it the rest of my life!


They are Temporarily Unavailable. I say go for the Eheim, It will last you a very long time. Yeah, I didn't measure twice, so in return Karma made my pump leak all over my HDD's. Don't be like me, just don't. biggrin.gif
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Is this for a Bitcoin farm?

Yeah, somewhat. Just doing it for funs!

I knew I wanted to build a PC but the problem was, I didn't want bad ass GPU cause I do not game hardXcore and I didn't need alot of CPU power (yet). Then I decided not to build for a while, then I discover BTC which I think is awe some; just the ideas and abstract behind it, the proof of work system, the stem off currencies, and more notably recently BitMessage! I also started doing alot of code development which after a while starts to get pretty CPU intensive based on the work. So I needed one and would use it so I finally made one.

For the GPU's. Started with a 7970, returned it cause it was bad, got a 7770, works great, found two cheap 5830s on ebay, and this weekend I might re-re-return my 7770 and go back to the 7970.
    
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They are Temporarily Unavailable. I say go for the Eheim, It will last you a very long time. Yeah, I didn't measure twice, so in return Karma made my pump leak all over my HDD's. Don't be like me, just don't. biggrin.gif

I figure for any WC system if your not sure, get the biggest pump you can afford, then the biggest radiator you can afford, then the nicest CPU block.

This way (if you at least put a little thought into it) I figure the pump wont fail, the radiator will be sufficiently big, and pretty much all CPU blocks (that cost more than $10) are the same performance wise. So hopefully in the end it works well and has room for improvement (in the means of cranking more heat into it from the PU's (processor units)).
    
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They are Temporarily Unavailable. I say go for the Eheim, It will last you a very long time. Yeah, I didn't measure twice, so in return Karma made my pump leak all over my HDD's. Don't be like me, just don't. biggrin.gif

Ok here we go, the golden ticket,

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=322434

Looks like the Iwaki MD-20RZ takes the cake. About to do a buy it now on Ebay.
    
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