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it's still true, for two reasons :

1) They will stay at that level of performance for the next, say 5 years, until the PS5

2) This setup is still quite weak compared to a mid-high end discrete graphics card, with an Intel CPU


I'm sorry guys, but i've tried AMD's APUs and i find them much less responsive than Intel's counterparts
    
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Even though PS4's APU is weak compared to high end desktops, console buyers aren't going to be that interested in shelling out over $700, and subsidizing a high end rig is going to result in some ungodly expensive games.

Because the consoles are standardized, that means the developers can extra more performance than a PC with similar hardware, since there are at least hundreds or thousands of different hardware+software combinations to program for.

The APU's 8 eight cores also allows the games to be ported to PC, with native 8-core support. That means four cores without HT is no longer the top of the line. An quad i7 with HT, or even a hexacore is more worth buying for gaming.

Since the APU also has HSA support, GPU computing would also become increasingly used, which is what Intel does not want. Nividia may also face an uphill battle with their reluctance to support HSA because of CUDA.

Also, the APU's GPU performance is between a 7850 and 7870. I wouldn't call that weak.


I recall trying an A8 or A10 laptop. It was surprising to be able to play games at medium settings at a bargain price of $600. However, I didn't buy it since I only need a new laptop in the summer since my current laptop has slightly better performance (though has much worse battery life overall), and that's when mobile Richland laptops should be coming out.

I also recall trying to game on Intel HD 2000. Never again. And going with Intel + discrete mobile GPU would cost more than an APU setup.
Edited by A Bad Day - 3/2/13 at 9:30am
post #103 of 139
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Originally Posted by Lome_Wolf236 View Post

it's still true, for two reasons :

1) They will stay at that level of performance for the next, say 5 years, until the PS5

2) This setup is still quite weak compared to a mid-high end discrete graphics card, with an Intel CPU


I'm sorry guys, but i've tried AMD's APUs and i find them much less responsive than Intel's counterparts

Don't really know what you are replying to, but I see your first point as a positive. That means if you buy this apu, you will probably be able to game with it for the next 5 years.... because most pc games are ports (though i'd like that to change).
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it's still true, for two reasons :

1) They will stay at that level of performance for the next, say 5 years, until the PS5

2) This setup is still quite weak compared to a mid-high end discrete graphics card, with an Intel CPU


I'm sorry guys, but i've tried AMD's APUs and i find them much less responsive than Intel's counterparts

yeah but it is cheaper than a mid-high end discrete gpu with a intel cpu...

that's the point
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Originally Posted by Lome_Wolf236 View Post

it's still true, for two reasons :

1) They will stay at that level of performance for the next, say 5 years, until the PS5

2) This setup is still quite weak compared to a mid-high end discrete graphics card, with an Intel CPU


I'm sorry guys, but i've tried AMD's APUs and i find them much less responsive than Intel's counterparts

The one in my laptop responds great.thumb.gif

EDIT:

Here is one playing crysis on low.
Edited by bencher - 3/2/13 at 3:37pm
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Hmm I wonder what Microsoft will have up their sleeves for their system.
This sound really cool, for laptops they'll be ideal I supposed decent CPU and GPU power and probably for a low cost too, nice one AMD!
Although it does seem to me that Jaguars aren't really powerful cores but they are designed for low power so that makes sense, perhaps having multiple of these cores will be really beneficial, especially since it seems multithreading seems to be kicking in in recent software, applications and games.
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yeah but it is cheaper than a mid-high end discrete gpu with a intel cpu...

that's the point
If AMD is really selling a 18CU GCN and 8 core Jaguar as an APU, they can't afford to price this cheap or risk cannibalizing their discrete gpus, I will expect them to price it at $250+,
 
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If AMD is really selling a 18CU GCN and 8 core Jaguar as an APU, they can't afford to price this cheap or risk cannibalizing their discrete gpus, I will expect them to price it at $250+,

You have a point, to an extent. AMD obviously isn't going to jeopardize their existing products, so this thing will be priced based on performance, rather than the costs. That being said, AMD is going to make some money off this, since they're just binned PS4 APUs that would have ended up in landfills as tax write-offs anyway.
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I smell some sort of legal stink coming from this.

I'm sure it's clear in the contract between Sony and AMD what IP, if any, is exclusive to the Sony parts, and what can be used in any AMD product.

AMD probably isn't allowed to sell the actual Sony APU commercially, but can sell cut-down derivatives of it. Versions of the Cell CPU in the PS3 were and are used in other applications.
     
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I also very much doubt that AMD would risk a contract like this by doing something they weren't expressly allowed to. That's why they're removing the stuff that Sony contributed.
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