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In the UK I would say cooking. Seriously, if you want to cook something, look it up on the Web. Don't spend an hour in school mixing stuff in a bowl or chopping stuff.

Or, teach computing instead of ICT. Or, ICT can be a lower level computing lesson? There are ways around it.

Why would that be any different than looking up programming on the web?

I have been cooking all my life, but the couple of years I spent in Culinary school fixed some bad habits and made me a better chef. (I still tend to overcook chicken though...lol!)

I took a 2 week Perl programming class, but actually coding in Perl made me learn the language better.
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post #122 of 276
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Drop..
PE
Shakespeare
English literature
Languages other then English(The future will pretty much be two languages i would think, english and chinese as more countries adopt both) Sure it's fun to learn a differant language (sometimes, Ok rarely)But how many times will i ever use Indonesian and french if i never visit either.
Philosophy, Make it optional




Things they need to start teaching
Common sense
Working skills
Code(even just the basics)
Advanced mathematics, Everyone seems to suck without their calculator
Common sense
How to survive without electricity, Because it can and does go out.
AND HOW TO READ DAMNED WARNING SIGNS

yea who needs PE when you can just play FIFA right?

those common sense skills are showing

If i say more i would get another infraction
Edited by Clipze - 2/28/13 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Athrun Zala View Post

I can't believe some of the comments I'm reading in here. Get rid of learning foreign languages? Get rid of PE? English literature? I wouldn't want some of you guys to have any say in what goes in my child's curriculum because the lot of you would rather have a kid learn something as specialized as coding than having them get the experience of learning a plethora of different subjects that they could potentially develop interest in. Humanities and things like physical education are a very important aspects of a child growing up and help them in ways that learning code can't. You learn things like sportsmanship in PE, which not only help with social skills, but also teaches humility and what it means to work in a team. Learning different languages helps expand your mind and understand a culture that isn't your own. I took an intro to Japanese in HS and I still remember some of the words taught in the class. It also helped me understand more about Japan as a modern society and not all the feudal era stuff people are so into. History is a necessity to have. How else are we supposed to learn how our respective country came to be, how the government formed, and how much the culture changed. You're taught the difference between a democracy and oligarchy in history. We learn how Hitler was able to come into power in a battered Germany in history. English literature is critical in helping a child understand reading comprehension and how to interpret a text. Coding provides NONEof that. I'm all for having optional electives in coding, but I will never see it more than that in high school education. It's not mandatory, and the core subjects will always take precedence over it.

History is a great subject in middle school since it's beneficial to language and reasoning skill, past that it becomes more and more useless. The more advanced a history class is in a general non voluntary setting, the less gain you will get form it.
People who are interested in history will know the names of kings and queens, generals and inventors. Those who aren't will not, at est you can make some quasi philosphical responsibility argument for mandatory history classes in High school, at worst and most commonly, you'll end up in some morally justified swamp of patriotic/political borderline revisionist nonsense.
 
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Every single parent should make their kids go outside/get some exercise. That's not what schools are for and the amount of PE you can have in school is nothing, not only that but it's usually only good and fun for the kids who are already interested.

Your intention is good but if this was the case (that every parent would encourage their child to exercise) we wouldn't have an obesity problem in America.

The fact is we have an obesity problem WITH PE in school curriculums...

But you all think it is a good idea to remove PE?

Right.
Edited by di inferi - 2/28/13 at 10:01am
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if anything i think that programming might be one of the worst things for humanity..learning how to think like a computer pushes you away from being a human

1. i think i've found my Signature smile.gif

2. its not about "thinking like computers" , think of it as learning another language ... im learning japanese , but i dont want to be a samurai lol or anything like that or talk like in the movies/anime when they emphatize the exclamations / angry / funny stuff lol ...( but ill do the "shotomate with a rough voice and put an angry samurai face just to joke arround lol )

and remember the age we are living too , its a type of work , in wich you need to create a product , with "that" particular set of skills (see what i did there? )
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
... i do know some coding myself , but my girlfriend isnt a Dell or anything like that
Edited by yoi - 2/28/13 at 10:24am
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To be a computer programmer, all you actually need is an understand of logic and how to break down problems into smaller steps.
Same could be said about a lot of things....

"Programming is very important. At best it can give you a free education and make you hundreds of billions or even change the world. At worst it gives you a hobby. Somewhere in the middle, programming help your social life and has a very high probability of a professional career."


Note, that it is not quite a zero sum game.... people can do multiple things with their time.


There is a difference. How many people program and how many people play sports or some time of physical activity? Sports is a general activity and it embodies many disciplines.

 

There is a reason why adults urge their kids to play sports at a young age. You hardly ever hear that with programming.

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1. i think i've found my Signature smile.gif

2. its not about "thinking like computers" , think of it as learning another language ... im learning japanese , but i dont want to be a samurai lol or anything like that or talk like in the movies/anime when they emphatize the exclamations / angry / funny stuff lol ...( but ill do the "shotomate with a rough voice and put an angry samurai face just to joke arround lol )

and remember the age we are living too , its a type of work , in wich you need to create a product , with "that" particular set of skills (see what i did there? )
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
... i do know some coding myself , but my girlfriend isnt a Dell or anything like that

Learning japanese would make you social with other japanese speaking people..

Learning programming will not make you social with anyone, it would only make you "social" with anything..

I know you understood what i said anyway, it was deeper than basic logic
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I don't think any schools in my country teach code or programming of any sort. However educations priority in government eyes is is getting lower and lower mad.gif
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Uhm, artists don't hold the world together.

Programmers do.

Huge difference between water paints and code that powers everything.

Saying art is just watercolor paintings is like saying all code is just hello world.

I'm pretty sure that the world would be much more different without artists than it would be without coders.

Besides, programmers and artists need eachother if they want to produce something that's actually commercially viable and good. (at least in the context that the video is talking about)

Game made by 100% programmers = crap visually, minecraft anyone?


Game made by 100% artists = crappy gameplay, buggy.

Games need storylines, graphics, as well as proper gameplay that comes from having great programmers and/or a great game engine.

Though normal software isn't all that reliant on artists, they still need some artistic skill to make them look professional.


Hang on, Minecraft is beautiful. If they would make the environment features and draw distance 10 times bigger, nothing would compare.

Art will spring up wherever people are, coding needs to be learned.

There is a difference between artist-made graphics in a game and a PNG file with 2D pixel art.


The game can still exist without high fidelity art. Not only can it exist, but it can be downright amazing.

These things do not work the other way around.
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1. i think i've found my Signature smile.gif

2. its not about "thinking like computers" , think of it as learning another language ... im learning japanese , but i dont want to be a samurai lol or anything like that or talk like in the movies/anime when they emphatize the exclamations / angry / funny stuff lol ...( but ill do the "shotomate with a rough voice and put an angry samurai face just to joke arround lol )

and remember the age we are living too , its a type of work , in wich you need to create a product , with "that" particular set of skills (see what i did there? )
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
... i do know some coding myself , but my girlfriend isnt a Dell or anything like that

Learning japanese would make you social with other japanese speaking people..

Learning programming will not make you social with anyone, it would only make you "social" with anything..

I know you understood what i said anyway, it was deeper than basic logic

I have spent plenty of time on coding forums, where I have met people. Some of them have been friends for life. As stated before, Coding requires a basis in logic that should be taught to every student. I'm not saying every student should have to learn Coding, but there should be a subset of required classes which include logical thinking and problem solving. Currently most curriculum are more about passing standardized testing and less about teaching

As far as required "Physical Education" classes(as opposed to recess in grade school). In all the time I was forced to attend PE classes in school, I made not a single friend and felt particularly ostracized because of a physical disability. My PE classes taught me that I was not an important part of the team because I wasn't the best at a game and therefore made to feel worthless. sure its good for a few student who are at the top, but all it really teaches is that it doesn't matter if you are a good student, if you are good a sport you will get extra help and be judged (graded) and a different scale from anyone else.
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