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It amazes me at the number of people calling coding meaningless and trivial on an OCN thread of all places.

Makes me depressed.
Why? The vast majority do not code.

Plus we are being realistic. Coding isn't truly NEEDED

You don't need to code to understand the importance of it.

It is the foundation that most any electrical component uses to work.

Being realistic? Without code there would be no computing. Can't get anymore needy than that.

How exactly do you think the OS that are using to type that message works? Code.
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Considering public schools can't even get the basics like math and english right, I don't think pulling resources to help a special interest group by teaching coding in pub schools will do anything to help us.

Kids can't even get basic math skills, yet we want to ignore this and push coding on them?

I think a lot of people are forgetting what we need, and saying what they want. I do not want to see my tax dollars wasted on something like this, and thats exactly what it would be, a complete waste of money and time. As I said before, if these companies want to have a better talent pool to draw from and want these special classes taught, fund it and staff it themselves. I'm sure there are very few schools/gov's that would turn down free funding and training.

/Rant.
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I don't think everybody should be taught how to program. That's too specific of a thing. Why would people who want to open a hair salon or manage a small construction crew need to learn C++? Programming is just a small application of formal logic and algorithmic thinking.

What needs to be encouraged is a basic introduction to logic, not just one of its practical applications. Logic is conducive to clarity of thought and that is something everybody does need in life.

The funny thing is I did better coding before I took a logic course. I'm the antithesis of things sometimes. redface.gif

Again...maybe the should just add coding on along with everything else. Challenge kids. Isn't that what they claim is a problem these days? That we're not challenging them enough earlier on?
     
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The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks that big brother doesn't want a bunch of teenagers turning into hackers. thus the reason why coding will never be offered to the younger minds. By the time people are in college the assumption is that they understand basic laws and what it means that be "responsible". Also at a younger age the have nothing to lose, when you're in college that's 10 year/1 million dollar fine.
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mandatory theater, philosophy, Shakespeare. NONE of those classes have made a inkling of difference in my life

Reconsider that. The English language as we know it was formed during the Shakespearean era. Shakespeare coined a massive amount of words and virtually any idiom worth remembering.

http://www.cummingsstudyguides.net/xEveryday.html
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Considering public schools can't even get the basics like math and english right, I don't think pulling resources to help a special interest group by teaching coding in pub schools will do anything to help us.

Kids can't even get basic math skills, yet we want to ignore this and push coding on them?

I think a lot of people are forgetting what we need, and saying what they want. I do not want to see my tax dollars wasted on something like this, and thats exactly what it would be, a complete waste of money and time. As I said before, if these companies want to have a better talent pool to draw from and want these special classes taught, fund it and staff it themselves. I'm sure there are very few schools/gov's that would turn down free funding and training.

/Rant.
The thing is.... coding at the base of it is simpler than math. If one can't "get basic math", it doesn't mean that one can't code.

Again, people think coding is some wizardry. It's not... break problem down and solve it. That's what we do everyday without realizing it. Coding forces you to stop and think.


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The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks that big brother doesn't want a bunch of teenagers turning into hackers. thus the reason why coding will never be offered to the younger minds. By the time people are in college the assumption is that they understand basic laws and what it means that be "responsible". Also at a younger age the have nothing to lose, when you're in college that's 10 year/1 million dollar fine.
Quite illogical.... companies and the government are absolutely begging for people with more advance computer skills. Companies all over are being starved of STEM graduates.
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I sniped all the crap in your post. yes, people can get smarter, nominally speaking with good nutrition between the ages 2-8, when brain growth matters. Maybe you might want to educate yourself about nueroscience.

Secondly, most people can;t handle calculus, and the bulk of the human population is not intellegent enough to grasp it, obviously, you don't grasp mean average and bell curve. You might want to retake that economics class.
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The thing is.... coding at the base of it is simpler than math. If one can't "get basic math", it doesn't mean that one can't code.

Again, people think coding is some wizardry. It's not... break problem down and solve it. That's what we do everyday without realizing it. Coding forces you to stop and think.

So what? Many things you learn in school does the same thing. How are we supposed to fund these coding programs? We can't even get kids through school knowing how to speak english properly, yet we're gonna start teaching them coding? Why stop at coding then?

There are plenty of avenues for parents to get their children into "extras" like coding. Spending time and effort themselves, spending money for someone else to do it. There are opportunities in post secondary education for this stuff. Just like parents who want their kids into sports, there are options.

I'd personally like my children getting proper basic skills first, considering we can't seem to even get that right, I think we should hold off on pushing for coding in public schools rolleyes.gif
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I sniped all the crap in your post. yes, people can get smarter, nominally speaking with good nutrition between the ages 2-8, when brain growth matters. Maybe you might want to educate yourself about nueroscience.

Secondly, most people can;t handle calculus, and the bulk of the human population is not intellegent enough to grasp it, obviously, you don't grasp mean average and bell curve. You might want to retake that economics class.

Maybe I just want to retake a live off this planet. Sheesh...everyone is so negative. "People can't learn more." Is essentially what you're saying. So how did we move from the Middle Ages?

PS: If someone as dumb as me can monkey some code and generally understand what it does along with calculus and such...why can't anyone else? I mean I seem to be called the stupid one all the time. rolleyes.gif
     
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So what? Many things you learn in school does the same thing. How are we supposed to fund these coding programs? We can't even get kids through school knowing how to speak english properly, yet we're gonna start teaching them coding? Why stop at coding then?

There are plenty of avenues for parents to get their children into "extras" like coding. Spending time and effort themselves, spending money for someone else to do it. There are opportunities in post secondary education for this stuff. Just like parents who want their kids into sports, there are options.

I'd personally like my children getting proper basic skills first, considering we can't seem to even get that right, I think we should hold off on pushing for coding in public schools rolleyes.gif

Their point is coding in the future will be a basic skill.... because to code is to think.

It's nothing magical. If you don't know code yourself, then who are you to make assumptions? I'm already trying to teach my 4 yr logic and problem solving... that's coding (but she likes DNA and wants to become an infectious disease doctor.)
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I sniped all the crap in your post. yes, people can get smarter, nominally speaking with good nutrition between the ages 2-8, when brain growth matters. Maybe you might want to educate yourself about nueroscience.

Secondly, most people can;t handle calculus, and the bulk of the human population is not intellegent enough to grasp it, obviously, you don't grasp mean average and bell curve. You might want to retake that economics class.
What do you base your assumptions on? Most people can think more complexly but are not guided or trained at a younger age to build the foundations of knowledge. Lack of knowledge is different from not intelligent.
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/4/13 at 9:35pm
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