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Coding is too specific of a thing to use to teach "how to think". A mandatory logic and possibly debate course will do that without bringing along the unnecessary computing aspect into it. Logic and mathematics directly teaches how to think as they are both pure reason. Coding is just one of the many applications of it.

And I'm fervently for the teaching of pure mathematics (instead of memorization-based dumbed-down problems about trains speeds and ladder angles) from a very early age, so nice straw man attempt there.

We don't teach children to read before we teach them the alphabet. multiplication tables, long division, simple ax+b=c problems are the basic mechanics of math, just like the alphabet is the basics of words and language. I didn't feel like all the "memorization tasks" in math made sense until I hit Calc 1. Calculus was the turning point for me, where math started making sense. How many kids didn't have the tenacity and encouragement to keep going until it clicked for them?
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I'd say kids would learn more if the nation spent more on hands on learning, rather than theory.

I flunked algebra tests as a kid, but when explaining how an image is rendered on multiple screens to a friend, I used an algebraic equation to help make it easier for him to understand. I used differential calculus to argue evolution in a debate, yet I never took a class. When you use them logically, formulas make much more sense.


Teach kids to reason, not simply to think.

Teach kids to have a foundation where they have the ability to learn, not simply teaching them concepts.

Coding is an abstract art. Learning how to code does not make someone smart. Giving someone the ability to figure out how to code would make someone smart.

There is no more foundation teaching any more. Mathematics is getting more and more abstract. There is no logic. Very few people choose engineering majors any more, it's all paper money (litigation and the like).
Even the most abstract math is logical, it just becomes less planted in everyday experience. I think you underestimate the number of engineering majors out there. The real problem is that there was a generation gap in engineers. Generation X brought a large slump in engineers. What we are seeing today is baby-boomers retiring, and a huge hole in the workforce.
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Meditation teaches you how to be content with what you have and where you're at and learn to accept things a long with being happy.

It also has been scientifically proven to show many benefits physically & mentally so you might want to look into it more before just laughing at something that you don't understand at all or have looked into at all.

Or a better way to sell the meditation is to discuss the visualization and internalization of information. We are becoming more and more impulsive due to the information overload we are fed. Meditation should be taught as a piece of PE and as a crucial piece of personal health; a way to process and handle data.
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If you really think about it even coding and coming up with technology is as "productive" as meditating if even less so as we're not as close to finding true peace or happiness only further away with more things such as smart phones.

So people that code all day and work 24/7 too can also be called bummers as what are they really doing with their life? Just manipulating more matter instead of trying to find true peace, happiness, and love & kindness for all beings while trying to find the truth within reality itself?

There lies within the whole problem that you have to "do" something or else you're considered a bum. If you don't work a 40 hours slave week and hope to live to 70 without dying (lucky) and retire off some pension and enjoy materialistic things while you're old and close to death not to mention all that you did while you worked was contribute to a society of greed & delusion and making more technology and fostering more suffering (sweat shops, animal slaughter farms, etc etc) than you're considered a bum by the average person.

All that coding and technology is doing is manipulating what already exists which will only be based around the 5 senses anyways.

Also, smoking weed or doing any drugs has nothing to do with meditation. I don't drink alcohol, coffee, or intake any drugs and so do many other people that meditate.

I know that ever since I started to meditate I started to become more content with that I have and had less craving and therefore suffered less a long with it getting away from me wanting to make games or learn how to code as I saw both of those things for what they truly are and could not handle the boredom nor pointlessness that comes from coding and/or making games a long with most things in general.

You aren't helping your case. Especially that last paragraph. I would hope that you would find personal gratification and accomplishment from doing things. It isn't about the thing you do or what you create, it is about what it does for you. That is a crucial component of meditation too. If you see no point in learning new things and doing creative activities like "making games or learning how to code", then you aren't meditating very effectively and it is causing your soul to stagnate. Letting go of materialism and angst and selfishness is completely separate from creating and learning. If shedding the former has caused you to lose the latter; you are in a worse place than when you started.

I agree that meditation is a valuable skill that teaches us how to calm ourselves; through this calm we can organize our lives and process information with clarity. I think this is an adult problem that appears post-adolescence. It doesn't need to be taught in elementary school. Children of that age are already free. Middle school PE would be my chosen venue for meditation, taught as a part of the pre- and post- exercise routine.
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Its too bad the world doesn't run on rainbows and bull****, or else people could spend as much time sitting on the ground doing nothing. If you really think that meditating can be defined as productive, and that things like smartphones take us away from happiness, please g t f o this forum and sit on the floor doing watching the back of your eyelids. People who meditate all day are lazy as ****, because their input to society is nothing. At least coders get a nice salary, they get taxed, they spend money on things, and thus make the world economy go around. Anything that contributes to GDP is productive since the economy is what drives and develops things like the cure for cancer, space travel, physics research, education, medicine, etc, etc. All of those are good things and improves the quality of human life, which imo is the only important part of existence--I.E. to enjoy it along with other humans. People who meditate all day do absolutely nothing to affect the GDP eqn, so they aren't productive at all. I know I wouldn't be nearly as happy without smartphones, since it is the backbone of my social life, allows me to coordinate easy, use gps to get anywhere I feel like, send any email, play games if im bored, and obviously much more. Finally, meditating does absolutely nothing to find truth of reality. It just gives you some insight into your mind, which is hardly what reality is. Physics research is what finds truth in the universe, and anything else is just hogwash. I just hate all this hippie crap, nothing personal. And btw all meditating does is manipulate neurons in your brain, which is the same thing as manipulating matter. Its programming your brain vs programming a computer, except that programming a computer is actually useful.

Meditation is so overrated

Meditation is linked to spiritual well being, something apparently we cannot do without. While you call them lazy, a lot of those people are spiritual leaders or guides. If you don't think that is required, tell that to everyone who believes in religion and god. I won't promote it, nor will I condemn it. Years and years of enduring, some of the oldest institutions.

If those weren't useful, you wouldn't see them around as healthy as they are today. So really, your just sounding like an arrogant prick. Also, their has been huge links to meditation and being healthy. We are talking about natural ways to aid your health, which is something that should be promoted as apposed to altering your body with chemicals. That doesn't normally turn out so well in the long run.
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My spiritual well-being is linked to psilocybin, lolz. Bet you know what I'm talkin' about, 'mushroom'boy wink.gif
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My spiritual well-being is linked to psilocybin, lolz. Bet you know what I'm talkin' about, 'mushroom'boy wink.gif

I've had my younger years, it was an influence on my name I won't lie. However I wasn't one of those hippie/raver types that was all "it's a spiritual" thing. I'm well aware that it's a drug, same concept to me as drinking. While you don't always drink to get drunk, sometimes it's nice. Though taking any drug to alter one's perception is dangerous, do it safe. Life isn't worth getting yourself killed over a good time, applies to any substance.

On a lighter note, yeah it was very relaxing sometimes. Sometimes not, each experience gave me something unique that I wouldn't trade the world for. One thing I do miss is my art, was much more fun back then. Used to get way into it more, still do just haven't had the urge. Though I'll be without a computer for either a couple days to a week so I might see if I can get in touch with my art again. Maybe some guitar, both have been heavily influenced by my younger experiences. The lifestyle isn't for all though and is VERY demanding, mentally and physically.
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i didn't even watch the video but here's my guess as to what they said based on the comments in this thread and how these types of things generally go.

"why aren't all kids forced to learn about [insert pet subject here]. also, more positive reinforcement, creativity, [insert vague flowery language here.]"

here's what i think would actually work, based upon what i have read written on the subject by academics and professionals actually engaged in the field:

1. eliminate regional and state disparities in the quality of public education offered. i haven't heard this next part seriously discussed, but i think the most efficient way to do this would just to hand over the responsibility for funding education to the federal government and force national standards in every state. but i seriously doubt this will ever happen due to all the irrational hatred of any increased federal government intervention in pretty much anything in the US, even if it is in inarguably beneficial.

2. higher standards for teachers, especially higher degrees (masters should be the minimum for high school ideally). connected to this we should raise standards for students. ap classes should become the new standard, since they are based on what colleges actually expect from students and designed by people who are actually knowledgeable about the subject, and they offer a higher, consistent basis for quality and prepare students better for college.

3. tell students they're wrong. it's good to have self confidence, but that confidence should not be falsely founded. additionally, if students are not corrected, they often assume they are always "right" which prevents them from actually working to learn and improve. i always notice this in my seminars with a lot of younger students-they were never told they were "wrong" in high school and now feel the need to debate every point.
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