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That's not DX9 flickering. It's a completely separate issue. I can repeat the same bug in FC3, C3 and Skyrim on both NVIDIA and AMD, and it's due to poor handling of z-depth, particularly in the presence of volumetric effects like clouds or fog (look at the distance mountains in Skyrim). Also occasionally happens with tons of layered sprites, like foliage. This is very common in games.

Apologies then, but is that something that will always exist or can be fixed?
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It could be fixed if the developer goes out of their way to fix it, sure. smile.gif
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My friend has a 3220 and a 7850. He can run P95 on Blend for as long as he wants but after he runs Valley for a minute, the whole PC freezes. Same happens on a game he plays called Vindictus, but he said it doesn't happen in LoL. It's not a power, RAM, or CPU problem.

 

So would this be a driver problem? He's running Beta 7. 13.1 is the most stable release, right?

    
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Intensive driver testing with Skyrim - 16 Hours +

Stability:

Saturday:
1x game crash. Game started afterwards. No problem later...
1x Systen freeze during gaming. Later...
1x system freeze outside game - system memory settings adjusted

Sunday:
No reboots crashes or freezes.

(please note that all memory tests I did previously resulted with "No error")

Performance:
Stuttering observed in first person view especially in closed areas. I am not sure whether its due moving on the rocks/stairs and the camera was "jumping" as an game issue, or its related to FPS smoothness... All i know that game was not looking as smooth as expected.

DX9 related issues:
Over this long time period I noticed only once "black" water which looked exactly as DX9 black flickering. Since it was Saturday before my memory was fixed it could be only coincidence.
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Hey Thracks, since the upcoming HD8xxx are HD7000M rebrands, are there any plans from AMD to finally do some improvements for mobile users? We only had one Enduro performance driver which didn't do what AMD said it would. With all the bad publicity from Anandtech, Toms etc, AMD said they would fix Enduro issues so performance loss was only about 5% from if there was no Enduro (Alienware having option to hardware fix dedicated), and that has not come even close yet. Heard any rumors or anything about AMD resolving their issues with Mobile? As of now, I see little to no reason why any new mobile buyer should go with a 7970M or a future 8xxxM over an Nvidia with the much better Optimus and performance. Also far better enthusiast support and overclocking.

Thracks be great if you remind someone at AMD, for a long time now, among the most expensive single chip offering from AMD has been their top mobile cards. It would be nice if we had drivers and support to match the ridiculous $600 price tag.

As of right now, on any notebook gaming forum, I cannot endorse AMD, just can't. The driver support is pitiful in comparison to Nvidia, at least their cards work. Still having graphical corruption in DX11 on FC3 for example. Having striped and blocky shadows in multiple games such as Borderlands 2. As said, I don't think anyone in their right mind can recommend a 7970M over a 680M. 680M runs cooler, more power efficient, overclocks like a beast monster, is stable, doesn't have DX11 corruptions or striped shadows, and has better battery life. As I said, can't think of any reason other than slightly lower price to recommend a 7970M over a 680M. Also 680M users find it very funny that Crysis 3 runs better on their cards on a AMD Gaming Evolved game, I agree.

Also I know you are doing this out of your own kindness. If have a chance, please pass this on to AMD. Tell them, their high end mobile solutions is currently sucking compared to the competitor and I highly doubt many current 7970M owners will be buying AMD again, as it stands now, I am among those who will not be repeating the mistake. And yes that is how I see it, supporting AMD, paying $600 on a 7970M was a big mistake. Just on NBR alone, there are countless very angry 7970M former owners who ditched it, got a refund to get a 680M. On NBR Clevo Sager threads about 7970M, and I don't think any of them are positive.
Edited by Ziddy - 3/4/13 at 10:20am
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Hey Thracks, since the upcoming HD8xxx are HD7000M rebrands, are there any plans from AMD to finally do some improvements for mobile users? We only had one Enduro performance driver which didn't do what AMD said it would. With all the bad publicity from Anandtech, Toms etc, AMD said they would fix Enduro issues so performance loss was only about 5% from if there was no Enduro (Alienware having option to hardware fix dedicated), and that has not come even close yet. Heard any rumors or anything about AMD resolving their issues with Mobile? As of now, I see little to no reason why any new mobile buyer should go with a 7970M or a future 8xxxM over an Nvidia with the much better Optimus and performance. Also far better enthusiast support and overclocking.

Thracks be great if you remind someone at AMD, for a long time now, among the most expensive single chip offering from AMD has been their top mobile cards. It would be nice if we had drivers and support to match the ridiculous $600 price tag.

As of right now, on any notebook gaming forum, I cannot endorse AMD, just can't. The driver support is pitiful in comparison to Nvidia, at least their cards work. Still having graphical corruption in DX11 on FC3 for example. Having striped and blocky shadows in multiple games such as Borderlands 2. As said, I don't think anyone in their right mind can recommend a 7970M over a 680M. 680M runs cooler, more power efficient, overclocks like a beast monster, is stable, doesn't have DX11 corruptions or striped shadows, and has better battery life. As I said, can't think of any reason other than slightly lower price to recommend a 7970M over a 680M. Also 680M users find it very funny that Crysis 3 runs better on their cards on a AMD Gaming Evolved game, I agree.

Also I know you are doing this out of your own kindness. If have a chance, please pass this on to AMD. Tell them, their high end mobile solutions is currently sucking compared to the competitor and I highly doubt many current 7970M owners will be buying AMD again, as it stands now, I am among those who will not be repeating the mistake. And yes that is how I see it, supporting AMD, paying $600 on a 7970M was a big mistake. Just on NBR alone, there are countless very angry 7970M former owners who ditched it, got a refund to get a 680M. On NBR Clevo Sager threads about 7970M, and I don't think any of them are positive.

Sadly, this is my experience as well. My Optimus laptops have always been far far FAR better. The drivers for AMD Enduro just simply aren't where they need to be.
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Ziddy, you are quite off topic. Strange is that I have heard similar complaints about GTX 6x0 series from Nvidia.

Continued testing of Skyrim:
- No crash or system freeze yesterday

Graphics issues observed:
Missing texture (tent near Whiterun) White, only shadows were on it.
Incorrect shader effect displayed - few items and surfaces were glossy.
All the trouble ceased when I restarted the game.

All these things were observed after 5 hours of gameplay. Additional testing with different driver will follow.
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Ziddy, you are quite off topic. Strange is that I have heard similar complaints about GTX 6x0 series from Nvidia.

Continued testing of Skyrim:
- No crash or system freeze yesterday

Graphics issues observed:
Missing texture (tent near Whiterun) White, only shadows were on it.
Incorrect shader effect displayed - few items and surfaces were glossy.
All the trouble ceased when I restarted the game.

All these things were observed after 5 hours of gameplay. Additional testing with different driver will follow.

That's not AMDs fault. Skyrim may be a nice game but it's also buggy as hell.
I observed both things you mention on the Computer of my girlfriend as well which is NV. Crashs to the desktop and strange graphic glitches are mostly the games fault.
Especially that "glossy effect" did happen to her once too. Most of the issues are pretty rare, random and hard(sometimes impossible) to reproduce. So it's even harder to tell if the driver really changes smth.
For example that glossy thing happend only once in the whole game with the same driver.
Edited by Stuttergame - 3/5/13 at 2:09am
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Thanks for the confirmation. You saved be serveral hours of "work" while gaming biggrin.gif

At all those tests helped me to fix two minor issues in my system unrelated to the GPU (failing disk and minor trouble with memory), so the future tests I perform will be more accurate. This also confirms that the driver (with exception of HDMI audio) seems to be running fine and that two out of three bugs which are repeatable since I have HD7000 were definitely fixed.

Also I tend to use two types of game engines. "Good and tested" which is able to run smoothly with almost any driver, without any glitches or stability problems. The second type is "Buggy and notorious". The worse the engine, more bugs may appear due certain system setting. It help to determine "stable" and "more stable".

Example:
DeusEX: HR has no trouble when I clock the GPU to 1100MHz. Skyrim will show a lot of glitches and will most probably lead to system crash.
If DeusEX also fails or start to make artifacts it means that the problem is not in "bad engine" but elsewhere. (Usually HW or driver)

The "Black water" glitch I observed on Saturday which resembled DX9 flickering, did not repeated after I tuned memory timings a bit. It means that DX9 glitches may be also memory dependent, or be falsely reproduced on system with bad memory settings.
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Ziddy, you are quite off topic. Strange is that I have heard similar complaints about GTX 6x0 series from Nvidia.

I have to disagree. I am completely on topic. AMD 13.2 Beta continue to receive good feedback from desktop users, but for us stuck with this broken GCN Enduro, we're screwed. And of course doesn't help when you think AMD drivers discussion only applies to desktop owners. That doesn't make much sense to me, when PC desktop sales are at all time low while mobile tech continues to rise, though laptop sales are also lower due to tablets, but still exceeding desktop. And mobile gaming is also far outpacing desktop gaming. I would think for AMD, considering the financial disaster state they are in, addressing their mobile driver issues would be at an all time high priority. Nvidia has functioning optimus which doesn't have nearly the number of negative stories on notebook gaming forums, don't know where you hear your news. And Nvidia has tabet/phone graphics offerings and they are looking to introduce handheld gaming device. AMD is just falling further and further behind in mobile. Even AnandTech has noted AMD's mobile driver support has been dismal.
- And for enthusiast forum like this, Nvidia mobile are able to have customized vBIOS, adjust voltage and have proper overclocking. And you may scoff at overclocking on mobile, but you may want to check the insane stable overclocks the 680M owners have right now. AMD owners have just Afterburner which is unstable, does not mesh well with Enduro, can lead to continuous BSODs etc.

But overclocking isn't even the biggest issue. I'd like to play Crysis 2 with the latest drivers having more than 30% GPU utilization and 25 FPS. That's ridiculous. I'd like to be able to play the latest games and not have to worry about Enduro and checking to see that the GPU is being utilized. So far, no drivers from AMD since the release of 7970M have been able to do this. NONE. Some games run well, some don't, it's a lottery and pray that the game you want to play will have more than 30-40% GPU utilization...

And there is absolutely no feedback from AMD to these problems except occasionally through Jared at AnandTech, who doesn't seem to be much of a gamer or even like high end laptops, seems to favor his MacBook or Razer... Anyway, Thracks is very active here. Hoping maybe he can pass on the overall negative sentiment about AMD's mobile flagship 7970M.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/

On the first two pages alone I see too many threads about 7970M. Everything from not working with AutoCad, various games, overall negative opinion on AMD's progress to address Enduro issues, 7970M heating/cooling issues, and more.

So yes, I think I am very much on topic. The 13.2 beta 7 and all previous beta, 13.1 and previous drivers do not provide the support and performance that AMD should be providing.
Edited by Ziddy - 3/6/13 at 11:18am
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