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which is worse high temps or high volts?????????????????????????
 
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Technically high voltage is worse than high temps, it causes a higher rate of electromigration. But that is getting into quantum mechanics and I'm not sure what relevance that has here. Stay under ~1.5v (more or less depending on your comfort level), stay under 90-95*C for the sake of stability.

I'm not sure if canadian 279 is a good price for an i7-2700k, I paid $209 for my i7-3770k at microcenter. Computer components are fungible, I dont see the hard choice here, just sell your i5-3570k on ebay or whatever and buy an i7 sandy with it. if you dont like it just sell the i7 off and buy another chip. components are like cash, as long as you get a decent deal and don't overpay there's no reason you can't sell them off for around what you paid for them.
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^ is that really true about the i7? I don't think hyperthreading makes it harder to overclock... it just makes it a bit hotter, that's all. So does a larger cache though.

A chip that can hit 5ghz, sandy or ivy, is rare. And I don't see $279 as a great deal for an i7, especially sandy.
- 3570k is ivy bridge, 2700k is sandy bridge and as an i7, it's hypethreaded with a slightly larger cache. pci 3, no, i'd say it doesn't really matter. because of the larger cache, and sometimes the hyperthreading, the 2700k is generally better than the 3570k. at clock for clock the 2700k is better, but not by much at all.

- i would say it's not worth it.

are you just upset you got a bad chip? I mean most ivies and sandies only can do 4.5-4.6ghz, it's just the luck of the draw with them. You gotta be really lucky to do 4.7ghz, much less 5ghz.

Ivy is a better overclocker and can generally overclock higher though, as long as you delid, as it runs cooler due to the 22nm process, and you can push higher voltages both because it runs cooler and because it can handle much higher voltages. Sandy is risky to run 1.4v+ on while ivy is only questionable at 1.5v and even then i haven't heard anything bad, so it seems like ivy is more like good to 1.55, 1.6v, for 24/7 air.

If you don't delid, then sandy overclocks better because it'll run cooler.

So i have one of these rare chips. Today i just tried for fun if i could boot on windows with
a 50x multiplier and could boot into OS with a vcore of 1,400 volts . But it's not stable and would surely throttle down in prime cause of to high temps i should tell it's a 3570k

Greetings and regards Chef

Ps i will delid shortly :-)
Edited by chefproject - 2/28/13 at 9:35am
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got my i7 SB to 5GHz in 5 mins. is it worth it? for games like bf3 MP - imo - it is. c3 seems to be another when i tried ht on and off. got higher minimum with it on.
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So i have one of these rare chips. Today i just tried for fun if i could boot on windows with
a 50x multiplier and could boot into OS with a vcore of 1,400 volts . But it's not stable and would surely throttle down in prime cause of to high temps i should tell it's a 3570k

Greetings and regards Chef

Ps i will delid shortly :-)

wholy SHEEET 1400 VOLTS lol.........let me kno how the delid goes im really thinking bout it myself..
 
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Technically high voltage is worse than high temps, it causes a higher rate of electromigration. But that is getting into quantum mechanics and I'm not sure what relevance that has here. Stay under ~1.5v (more or less depending on your comfort level), stay under 90-95*C for the sake of stability.

I'm not sure if canadian 279 is a good price for an i7-2700k, I paid $209 for my i7-3770k at microcenter. Computer components are fungible, I dont see the hard choice here, just sell your i5-3570k on ebay or whatever and buy an i7 sandy with it. if you dont like it just sell the i7 off and buy another chip. components are like cash, as long as you get a decent deal and don't overpay there's no reason you can't sell them off for around what you paid for them.

well the avg low is about $319 in my parts of the world.....
 
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lol.......i think im going to delid mine and max it out voltage wise.........................my question is if i do like 1.4-1.5 volts in everyday use will it put much stress on any other components?????? or just the cpu???? cause im fine killing my cpu i want to get an i7 anyway lol but i do not want to kill my board....which means new os blah blah......
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No, CPU voltage if fed to it by the motherboard. A good motherboard, it's not an issue. A bad motherboard, it's an issue. On the Extreme4, it'll probably be an issue at higher voltages.

Generally, whatever my CPU temp is, my VRM gets a similar temperature, depending on how low or high quality it is. On my Biostar A770E3 AM3 and MSi Z77A-G41 LGA1155, when my CPU was ~1.5v and ~1.3v respectively, and 50*C (amd) and 70*C (intel) respectively, my VRMs got to over 80*C and I was getting choke whine/buzzing, I was reaching temps hot enough to cause browning on the PCB, I was within 20*C of the VRM blowing out. My CPU's temperature was never a concern to me on those motherboards, nor was reaching my chip's max voltage - the motherboard VRM was getting loud (a very bad sign, electronics aren't supposed to be loud) and so hot that it was the real limit to my overclocks, not my CPU.

On my Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H and UD5H though, I can push over 1.6v and never go above 50*C even with all the PWM settings maxed out.

On an Extreme4, you will likely be limited at the higher voltages, 1.4+, maybe 1.55+, I'm not sure exactly. You really need to keep the VRM cool, I"m pretty sure the i/o on the extreme4 will report VRM temps but if it doesn't you need to get a thermal diode on it. Just check hwinfo.
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Well i'm hardly surprised ... The MSI has no VRM heatsinks and is of an inefficient design unlike the Gigabytes
And that's why MSI = Explosion grade
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VRM heatsinks have nothing to do with VRM design and quality. You can always slap a makeshift heatsink on the VRMs as well, it's just like putting a heatsink on your CPU.

The Extreme4 has low quality VRM, but has a heatsink. Many low quality boards have a low quality VRM with a VRM heatsink, that's the problem.

As for the msi board I used, it was a Z77A-G41 that I paid $19 for. I'd say that's a great deal for a board I overclocked to 4.6ghz for someone who doesn't know the difference between a GPU and a PSU, it was just for a value overclock. That system isn't going to be noticeably slower to general usage than my 4.9ghz+ UD5H system. However I like overclocking, and for my uses, I will notice the extra 300mhz+, especially the memory overclock capabilities on this board (which is relevant to my needs).

Any board can be great at the right price, but all boards have limitations. You just want to make sure that limit is over 1.6v for ambient overclocks, or maybe 1.55v at the very least, maybe 1.45 if you don't want to push it.
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