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Originally Posted by Bit_reaper View Post

True but the concept is the same. The hinge part was made to be significantly lighter then the traditional steel part and its not like printed metal is as strong of an material as forged steel. The plastic car shell was made to be similar strength as a steel shell. Why is it so hard to understand that the shape makes big difference. With 3D printing you can make support structures that could not be done otherwise.

What? You can't 3-D print metal, only plastic.

Metal, when exposed to too much force, bends and warps, but retains some of its functionality. Plastic, on the other hand, cracks, shatters, and utterly gives way.
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post #62 of 101
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What? You can't 3-D print metal, only plastic.

Metal, when exposed to too much force, bends and warps, but retains some of its functionality. Plastic, on the other hand, cracks, shatters, and utterly gives way.
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But that dynamic's been turned on its head by the folks at Airbus. Using an special additive layer manufacturing machine (aka the aforementioned 3D printer), they are able to create "intricate forms out of high-grade metal," reports the MIT Technology Review, which to me and you means "oh by the way, Airbus has actually already installed these 3D-printed parts on their massive Airbus A380 airliners.

http://gizmodo.com/5841449/why-yes-maam-this-airbus-a380-was-printed-on-demand-by-a-computer

The characteristics of steel depends on how it has been handled. Hardened carbon steel can shatter instead of bending and depending on the composition of the ABS plastic it can bend and warp instead of shattering.

I would be more worried about how the plastics characteristics change as the temperature drops. The car might be nice and shatter proof at 20°C but is it still safe at -30°C.
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http://gizmodo.com/5841449/why-yes-maam-this-airbus-a380-was-printed-on-demand-by-a-computer

The characteristics of steel depends on how it has been handled. Hardened carbon steel can shatter instead of bending and depending on the composition of the ABS plastic it can bend and warp instead of shattering.

I would be more worried about how the plastics characteristics change as the temperature drops. The car might be nice and shatter proof at 20°C but is it still safe at -30°C.

Hardened carbon steel is used to make knives, tools and parts for motor engines, aluminium or mild steel is used for the chassis.

Also sustained exposure to the sun and elements will quickly deteriorate the plastic.
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post #64 of 101
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Seems impractical to make too, a few hundred hours for a bumper? OMW!

This will probably be yet another fail... frown.gif

No. That was the prototype, with a factory running at full blast, they can pump out plenty of these. thumb.gif
post #65 of 101
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I'll be honest, it looks rubbish.

That's the best thing about it. It's printed, you can easily change the design.
    
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What? You can't 3-D print metal, only plastic.

Metal, when exposed to too much force, bends and warps, but retains some of its functionality. Plastic, on the other hand, cracks, shatters, and utterly gives way.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=metal+printer
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post #67 of 101
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Hardened carbon steel is used to make knives, tools and parts for motor engines, aluminium or mild steel is used for the chassis.

Also sustained exposure to the sun and elements will quickly deteriorate the plastic.

I know that hardened carbon steel is used for knives ect. and not chassis. That was the point. Just because some compositions of ABS plastic shatters rather then bend does not mean it can't just like steal be made in a more flexible variation that would rater bend then shatter and therefore be more suitable for a car chassi.

While UV would deteriorate exposed plastic the car seams to be painted so it probably no more susceptible to UV deterioration then a steel shell would be to rusting. The reason I'm concerned with the temperature is that ABS is a thermoplastic and as a result its characteristics are greatly effected by the ambient temperature.

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Generally ABS would have useful characteristics within a temperature range from -20 to 80 °C

Where I live temperatures under -20°C are pretty much a yearly occurrence and I know over 80°C temperatures have been recorded of cars that have sat in the sun.
    
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What? You can't 3-D print metal, only plastic.

I know I'm not the first to point out that you are wrong about this..

I have worked a couple of years printing all kind of stuff from plastic, rubber (synthetic ofc), titanium, aluminium,
and the very popular nylon-aluminium mix. I recommend checking out eos.info, the site of our supplier.
You can find a list of their printable metal alloys here.
They also supply a number of different plastics, and a couple of sands for casting.

Still pretty exiting, 4 years later. =)
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I know I'm not the first to point out that you are wrong about this..

I have worked a couple of years printing all kind of stuff from plastic, rubber (synthetic ofc), titanium, aluminium,
and the very popular nylon-aluminium mix. I recommend checking out eos.info, the site of our supplier.
You can find a list of their printable metal alloys here.
They also supply a number of different plastics, and a couple of sands for casting.

Still pretty exiting, 4 years later. =)

That really interesting. Seen as you work with the materials can you shed some light on how strong printed metals are compared to other types of manufacturing? I'm just guessing here but printed steel can't be as strong as forged or even powder forged steel can it? Is it as strong as cast steel? I'm really curios to know graduated.gif
    
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I'm hazarding a guess that the metal is actually molten when it's being printed, so yes it's probably going to be as strong as cast metals
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