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OTL tube amps tend to have issues with high currents and power outputs, which is what lower-impedance insensitive headphones require, relative to other headphones. Hence you get high distortion, limited output power. This isn't so much a design flaw as an inherent limitation, or just plain using the wrong tool for the job.

If you don't listen that loud or if the distortion sounds fine to your ear, then it may be okay. However, it's enough of a concern that Schiit would rather you buy one of their other amps than risk being disappointed with the Valhalla with those kinds of headphones. They're telling you something for a reason. But it's rarely a matter of straight up "can" or "cannot".

That's pretty much all there is to it.
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The guy said he would prefer to keep his total budget under $500 and you guys are arguing about tube amps rolleyes.gif
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I wasn't arguing with TJ.

when I see people with budgets this high I just can't help my self.. he is so close to going all the way.

i'm trying to save him money by not ***** footing around with Mid-Fi headphones meanwhile people in the Video Card section are spending $2000 on GTX Titans.. I bet they have a Bose tongue.gif
    
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Originally Posted by DrGroove View Post

The guy said he would prefer to keep his total budget under $500 and you guys are arguing about tube amps rolleyes.gif

You can get Chinese ebay tube amps for under $100, probably with some cheapo parts, but still. Most more-expensive tube amps aren't exactly going for maximum fidelity anyway. I think it's more of the thread getting sidetracked than anybody seriously suggesting one of these to the OP. I hope. Or maybe not.



If closed is preferred, I'd say to try to find a Denon AH-D2000 floating around (though it's not like isolation is so amazing here). Even adding a DAC and amp, that could be well under $500. Open headphones options were already discussed.
post #25 of 52
I agree about the D2000, but they are hard to find and expensive now. Even the used ones pop up around $300 or over it seems, so I would have a hard time recommending those over Shure 940 or 1440, or even the HE-400 around that price point.
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Wish I had been around yesterday to properly respond while the thread was active, but here I go anyway.
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Originally Posted by Simca View Post

The SR225i's are the least colored Grado probably..

The Audeze LCD-2 doesn't make any sense because even if you got the headphone used in that budget, you won't have any money for a DAC/AMP and that would make the headphone a dumb purchase alone.

How much bass are you really looking for?

If you're not too into bass, but want a little bit more than AD700s, the DT880 is a good headphone. It's very neutral. Good mids and highs. Good sound stage. Cheap in price. Way under your budget and you can buy a DAC and amp for it.

The HD650s are darker headphones, but do well for all of your genre's except metal. They're too slow for metal.

HE-400s are good...they do metal well, they do bass well, they do soundstage well...they do mids all right, but the highs suck. You can try to tame the beast with good EQ though. Instrument separation on these is good. You'll get better sibilance on the DT880s though. DT880s do metal all right as well.

All in all, I wouldn't use your full budget until you KNOW exactly what you want and have invested more time and finances into the hobby.

I would get DT880s and a DAC/AMP right now.

It is not that I am not into bass -- I love how bass sounds -- just that I do not like it to boom, or vibrate, or any of that nonsense. With my limited knowledge of this subject, I do not feel I can properly describe how I like it, but words such as "smooth" and "clear" are what come to mind.
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All in all, I wouldn't use your full budget until you KNOW exactly what you want and have invested more time and finances into the hobby.
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Originally Posted by bumblebee1980 View Post

you don't need that kind of bass. $750 tells me he is serious about his music and maybe just needs a little convincing. if he can save up $1200, $1300 he should go for it. I would of saved money if I bought the Audeze LCD-2 to begin with.
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$750 for ~everything~ tells me he has $750 dollars to get ~everything~ and would prefer to spend less if possible because he's unsure he even wants to drop all this on audio.

I also think your Shure's are more neutral than the HD650s meaning the HD650s are darker than the Shure's for sure.

I don't think someone should jump from AD700s to LCD-2s. That and the LCD2's aren't neutral. The highs aren't there and he has no money for a DAC or AMP and if we're pushing to 1200 then why not another 500 for the LCD3's and then another 700 for DAC and amp.

You're both kind of right. I could spend 1,200-1,300$ right now if I wanted to, but I am just not certain/experienced enough to feel confident with the decision to do so. It is a lot of money. I listen to a lot of music, and it is one of the few things I have found I enjoy in life (story for another day), so spending the extra money could make sense.

Also, I am not looking for truly neutral headphones. I just feel uncomfortable with the idea of a headphone colouring the music. Am I merely being strange? Should I give coloured headphones a try?
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I am going to agree with simca about the budget. Personally, I think what the OP sound focus on is getting a better amp (the schiit magni is still a great DAC no matter how you look at it) and get cheaper headphones now, and then later down the road the OP can move up to the LCD2 or even 3.

No matter how you slice it, the LCD2 is going to sound like garbage without the proper amp and dac.

My end point is that the LCD2 is the right choice, but it is certainly not the smart choice.

I would think that the Schiit Valhalla and the modi for the gear and the AKG Q701 for the headphone would be a great choice. The Q701s don't have the head shaking bass, but they do have more than the AD700s and the OP stated that he was not a bass head, so I think he will be happy with the bass. The highs are why I like these headphones for rock, and the mids are fairly neutral. I also think they are cheap enough that when the OP does upgrade, he won't be loosing too much of his investment.

I have read some about the AKG Q701s, but I shall look into them more deeply. May I ask you to explain why you have recommended the Valhalla, though? Do you think a tube amp is something I would want?
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The guy said he would prefer to keep his total budget under $500 and you guys are arguing about tube amps rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by bumblebee1980 View Post

I wasn't arguing with TJ.

when I see people with budgets this high I just can't help my self.. he is so close to going all the way.

i'm trying to save him money by not ***** footing around with Mid-Fi headphones meanwhile people in the Video Card section are spending $2000 on GTX Titans.. I bet they have a Bose tongue.gif

I appreciate that, bumblebee, and I will certainly being taking all that you have said under consideration. I am still far from decided.
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If closed is preferred, I'd say to try to find a Denon AH-D2000 floating around (though it's not like isolation is so amazing here). Even adding a DAC and amp, that could be well under $500. Open headphones options were already discussed.
I will look into those; thanks.
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post #27 of 52
you need a headphone with less bite in the treble and a warmer mid range. AKG Q701 are not it. AKG headphones are good with classical, jazz, acoustic, opera. the AKG K550 is the only headphone I have liked from them.

if you listen to a lot of classical, classic rock, jazz. a tube amplifier is something to look into.
    
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you need a headphone with less bite in the treble and a warmer mid range. AKG Q701 are not it. AKG headphones are good with classical, jazz, acoustic, opera. the AKG K550 is the only headphone I have liked from them.

if you listen to a lot of classical, classic rock, jazz. a tube amplifier is something to look into.
My listening preferences are metal > jazz > rock > classical = others.

I will definitely look into tube amps, but might I ask why you recommend them? I have even less experience with amplifiers than I do headphones.
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post #29 of 52
Looking for neutral is fine, but all headphones are colored in some way and in a lot of cases that is fine. A good example is the HD650 which is maybe the most popular mid fi headphone even though it is known as having a slightly dark sound.

I didn't see you mention, but what will the primary source for your music be?

I would personally grab a used HD650 or DT880 (assuming open, I saw someone say you were considering closed too, in that case the D2000 is a great start) and try them out for a few days. If you are buying an amp/dac that is common everything you buy should be able to resold easily for no loss as long as you get a decent deal. This way you get the chance to try something and see if you like the sound/feel etc.

Another option is see if there is a head-fi meetup near you anytime soon. I went to one and listened to a whole range of headphones and it gave me a good idea of what I really wanted. I listened to a $20,000 setup and could quickly determine that I was not enough of an audiophile to need anything too extravagant. I ended up buying the DT880s and Q701 (returned) and have been happy.
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solid state didn't become a thing until the 80's.
    
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