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Personally I feel that is worth around $150-ish a month, No phone, No cable, No goodies. I feel that price should include a "basic" router/modem (nothing fancy, not even wifi or USB ports) with nicer model's (wifi, ect) being available for extra charge. So ABSOLUTE top dollor is 200 a month, just for the connection, I would happily pay extra for phone, fancy router/modem and cable/satalite TV service.

EDIT: shoot, forgot to add that the above price's would reflect in my world a 2-5 year contract.

Ok, $2400 a year might actually work, if you are willing to do a 20 year contract.

That's $75 to $300 a year just for the installation costs on a 20 year commitment ... or $750 per year on the low side for a 2 year commitment, $3000 on the high side for a 2 year, $300 a year on a 5 year low side, $1200 on a 5 year on the high side.

So as you can see, just paying for the installation costs, it gets real expensive, and that's before any other supporting infrastructure (like the backbone, support, and data costs) get factored in.

I wonder how many people are willing to pay $200 a month just for internet ... no tv, no phone, no nothing else ... just a fat pipe.
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The difference between 50mbit and 1000mbit internet is going to be marginally noticeable, unless your downloading a lot of large files from a service that can provide the bandwidth. Most websites can't feed a client 10mbit/s of data. TW is also getting caught up in the GBit internet benchmark facade which is more or less a term for unlimited and a internet arm with which to flex and point atm.

Two edges on one sword. One side is enforcing the fact that it isn't needed which is an attempt to retain a bit of their infrastructure and the other side is POed because they want what all that is available for the sake of getting it.
What I'd really like to see is more upload speed or even symmetrical speeds for residential users and an extension of their speed boost.

Put it like this, I may not need this speed and want it. Google, as the most current example, sells it. My neighbor is on TWC for example or Cox, Comcast et all.

I pay 70$ for 1000 Mb/s connection. He pays ~90$ for a modem rental, and a 50 up and 5 down (Mb/s) connection.

Why in God's name would any consumer choose to pay more for less. They won't.

Because the 70$ isn't just speed, its a 1TB of cloud, GoogleTV et all, I believe.

Now, my neighbor hears me talking about it. Unless TWC/Cox/Comcast respond with lower prices, there is no way my neighbor would stay with their ISP. They would be insane for it.

Therefore, competing ISP lowers their price to match. Still not the same value as GFiber. Not even close. Therefore to prevent a mass exodus of customers, they have to reduce prices further. Suddenly what cost my neighbor 90$ a month, now costs 40$ a month. Which is still 5000% profit. (based of cost of maintenance bandwidth.)

So yes, EVERYONE, needs Fiber competition in their neighborhoods, even if they don't get it.
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Doesn't that number spread around since in a city people usually live very close to each other.... or are you saying that it costs $6000 to maintain the 2 meter connection from the sidewalk into the house?

It's an average. Not everyone lives in 50 story apartments that are only 800 square foot in size. Which, actually presents their own challenge to get fiber installed into on even a 10 year old Manhattan apartment high rise.
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Therefore, competing ISP lowers their price to match. Still not the same value as GFiber. Not even close. Therefore to prevent a mass exodus of customers, they have to reduce prices further. Suddenly what cost my neighbor 90$ a month, now costs 40$ a month. Which is still 5000% profit. (based of cost of maintenance bandwidth.)

So yes, EVERYONE, needs Fiber competition in their neighborhoods, even if they don't get it.

That's good in theory and all, but even in my neighborhood, which has LOTS of options, including both Verizon FiOS (which I have) and Comcast, not to mention all the other various ways of getting internet ... it's amazing just how similar the prices between Verizon and Comcast is, as in only $10 a month difference.

Competition only goes so far. It's not like Verizon came in 5 years ago, ran fiber to the house, and suddenly, my bill as HALF as much as Comcast.

Promotions aside, when the reality of actually having to pay for day in and day out running of the network, installing it, and actually making a profit, they will quickly normalize their prices.

I will be willing to bet that in 10 years Google will NOT be in more than 5 cities that doesn't subsidize the heck out of them (ie free fiber, free electricity, free buildings, free personnel, 1/2 off for new pole access, etc) and not operating at a loss in that city (a city of over 500,000 people, not some tiny campus, etc, a REAL city, like Baltimore, New York, LA, Chicago, Miami, Dallas, etc) and not have it cost under $120 a month.
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Ok, $2400 a year might actually work, if you are willing to do a 20 year contract.

That's $75 to $300 a year just for the installation costs on a 20 year commitment ... or $750 per year on the low side for a 2 year commitment, $3000 on the high side for a 2 year, $300 a year on a 5 year low side, $1200 on a 5 year on the high side.

So as you can see, just paying for the installation costs, it gets real expensive, and that's before any other supporting infrastructure (like the backbone, support, and data costs) get factored in.

I wonder how many people are willing to pay $200 a month just for internet ... no tv, no phone, no nothing else ... just a fat pipe.

Actually, I bet a lot of people would be willing to do it. TWC would have to mimic Google by taking order's and selecting area's with the most customer's to start with, and slowly expand on it as demand rise's.

Regardless of how much you estimate it might cost it will have to be done at some point. Just like back when Dial-up was it. Then DSL and Cable moved in. At first people thought it was overpriced, most people it wasn't needed. Fast forward to today, Cable and DSL are everywere and people are looking to faster.

Your up to date on most current event's, How is the state of the american infrastructural right now? Total and utter crap that what state its in. From our Street's, Roads, bridge's and communication are FAR behind what they should be by now.No use defending the company that is holding us back for a higher profit margin.

Could you imagine what would happen on the open market if gigabit internet was widely available?!? It would make TONS of job's in new job markets we haven't even imagined yet.
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Your up to date on most current event's, How is the state of the american infrastructural right now? Total and utter crap that what state its in. From our Street's, Roads, bridge's and communication are FAR behind what they should be by now.No use defending the company that is holding us back for a higher profit margin.

Could you imagine what would happen on the open market if gigabit internet was widely available?!? It would make TONS of job's in new job markets we haven't even imagined yet.

Already addressed ...
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Again, that is assuming the "free" access deal that Google got with KS for rent, poles, electricity, an existing fiber network, people, etc. would be available all over the rest of the country ... which it isn't.

If you read that other article I linked, the real estimated costs for doing the US would be "Cioffi is not alone in his assessment. After all, FTTH authority, Neal Lachman, wrote in SeekingAlpha, that it would cost as much as $500 billion and could take a decade to connect all the houses and commercial buildings in the U.S. to fiber."

I personally think that half a trillion dollars would be a worthwhile investment (certainly as opposed to invading other countries), it's just not something that I can see a SERIOUSLY politically divided country that is $16.6 trillion in debt already, would actually be able to pass any time soon.

I'm just saying. I WANT it, but I don't think we can actually afford to pay for it, and certainly I don't think there is the political climate right now to even have it realistically considered (even if you think it is the role of the Federal Government to provide Internet, as defined under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution).
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Put it like this, I may not need this speed and want it. Google, as the most current example, sells it. My neighbor is on TWC for example or Cox, Comcast et all.

I pay 70$ for 1000 Mb/s connection. He pays ~90$ for a modem rental, and a 50 up and 5 down (Mb/s) connection.

Why in God's name would any consumer choose to pay more for less. They won't.

Because the 70$ isn't just speed, its a 1TB of cloud, GoogleTV et all, I believe.

Now, my neighbor hears me talking about it. Unless TWC/Cox/Comcast respond with lower prices, there is no way my neighbor would stay with their ISP. They would be insane for it.

Therefore, competing ISP lowers their price to match. Still not the same value as GFiber. Not even close. Therefore to prevent a mass exodus of customers, they have to reduce prices further. Suddenly what cost my neighbor 90$ a month, now costs 40$ a month. Which is still 5000% profit. (based of cost of maintenance bandwidth.)

So yes, EVERYONE, needs Fiber competition in their neighborhoods, even if they don't get it.

I tried to point this out.

Its going to be bad when lots of "Fiber hoods" are poping up and people "want it because they can afford it" it doesn't matter how much of the connection they will use, They will buy it anyway, and love EVERY HIGHSPEED SECOND of it! TWC is just doing everything they can to keep the market thinking cable is fine and dandy.

IF they don't offer a gigabit option soon they will be forced to lower their current price's to compete. Its going to suck when their 50/10 connection is only worth $5 a month just because google offer's SOOOO much more for pennies. I also bet Google isn't in the to make stupid money. Their mission statement is "Don't be evil" if I'm not mistaken.
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Already addressed ...

Blah! but google IS DOING IT! its not like it can't be done, They just don't want to do it!

How is it that hard to understand! There is a company out there, Offering a rediculas internet speeds, Cable, DVR, Cloud and NAS, Tablet, phone(might as well send you a partridge and a pare tree too!) for a stupid low price! Your just not taking that into consideration!

Its not like this is some impossible feat that cannot be done. It can be done, it is being done and it sucks to be TWC right now lol.
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I wouldnt go as far as to say google is in it for the little guy lol but they are in the right direction for building off of the discontent from the current ISP offerings
    
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I wouldnt go as far as to say google is in it for the little guy lol but they are in the right direction for building off of the discontent from the current ISP offerings


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Sure they are in it for money and fame. But maybe they are ok with no compleatly bending us over for more profit. I don't mind someone making money for a service or product but there is a point when enough is enough!
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