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Gigabit internet may not be practical everywhere yet, but there is absolutely no doubt that ISPs charge vastly more than they need to for the bandwidth they deliver.

Bandwidth costs for ISPs have been rapidly declining for a long time, yet I pay the same price for only double the bandwidth I had 12 years ago.

I don't live in the boonies either. I live in the suburbs of a major population center in a well off state of a well off nation.
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I agree. More people would be better served by having reliable 20/10 or 25/25 internet than 1000/1000 internet ... and it's more of a reality as well.

There is no way for me to reliably get more than about 8 megabit upload in my area without spending more than my rent and utilities combined.

I'd probably pay 100 a month for a 25/25 connection, but to get that kind of upload here I'd be spending a thousand dollars a month, purely because there is not enough competition. COX, AT&T, and Timewarner all charge the same arm and a leg for the same pathetic speeds in this area.
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I mean seriously, that is speed that is well beyond even what it would take to stream uncompressed 1080p video.

Uncompressed 1080p video at 30fps is way more than a gigabit per second.

1920 (horizontal pixels) * 1080 (vertical) * 32 (color depth) * 30 (frames per second) = 1,990,656,000 bits per second.
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Most of you can't even utilize 20 down 5 up...Much less a gigabyte...

Completely disagree.

Anyone who has ever torrented, streamed, or used something like VCN could make use of 5 megabit up. Hell, anyone who uploads large files anywhere could benefit. I had a 5 megabit upload when I was using Youtube, and my upload speed was the primary limiting factor in the time it took for me to publish videos.
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Of course, if you're a business it makes sense...However, even in a house of 5 people, with 3 gaming at the same time, you still haven't exceeded 20 down 5 up...Not by a longshot.

....

This is not realistic because the infrastructure isn't there and even if it was, it wouldn't be wholly utilized by the AVERAGE person.

The average person's bandwidth usage is not primarily composed of gaming.
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Well back in my post when I mentioned that Google very likely/most certainly was providing the government with free fiber service for life I implied everything government related, not just "the government."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/11/the-real-cost-of-google-fiber
People make the ridiculous claim that Google bribed/cheated in getting free access and such advantages over other service providers. Such people fail to realize that the local government of KS/etc. and Google have been negotiating about the Fiber service rollout since long before it started. The local governments WANTED Google; not the other way around. Google called out the entire US saying "Ay governments, opt-in for our service and we'll figure out which areas have the highest demand!"

Obviously, their negotiations got to a point where the government offered Google free use of assets in exchange for free Fiber service to all the mentioned entities within the negotiated fiber-hoods. If things went down vice-versa, Google likely asked the government what could be done to help lower their start-up costs, and the government responded saying "Well... you know... it would be nice if you hooked us up for free service for life. wink.gif" If Warner/Comcast had come to the government much sooner with plans for a huge rollout, they would have very, very likely been given the same opportunity to negotiate such costs. The root of the problem is Warner/Comcast are disgustingly greedy when it comes to their revenue, which is ironic; they'd rather give up the opportunity altogether than to give up revenue from providing service to the government in exchange for very cheap (or even free) assets to help their rollout.

Yes, Someone who actually paid attention to how Google was implementing GFiber in our area. Kansas is way to tight with its budgeting to just hand out millions to google for nothing. I wonder what the free fiber service will save our local government.

Millions per year. Think about it. What does it cost the government to give Google access to their utility poles for free? It's not like they're making any more money NOT letting Google use them. Every aspect of giving Google all the provided assistance is going to benefit KS residents, and the local government, and Google. Taxpayer money may be paying for Google's free/cheap startup, but they would have been paying millions more for their government's internet service from Time Warner Craple, not to mention Kansas is GLOWING ON THE MAP over the whole "we have Google Fiber!" ordeal. Google Fiber boosts tech startups in Kansas City. Huge boom in tech industry in KC = huge boom in tax revenue as well.
Edited by Stealth Pyros - 3/1/13 at 12:40pm
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time warner cable is terribad and they obviously lost touch with reality
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Another link that might be worth adding to OP

http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/02/time-warner-cable/
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There is no demand because they charge my business an astronomical amount for said internet. As soon as Google Fiber is available to businesses, Time Warner can suck a fat one. BTW, they are scared as crap because they are raising speeds (free) for all users around Fiberhoods, they can't compete with Google though.
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LOL. If you don't understand why Google is doing this I feel sorry for you. This is a great little marketing effort on their part. And in the end when you switch over you will effectively hand over the last bit of privacy you have to Google. You will have consolidated into their entire information gathering ecosystem. If that's what you want that is fine. But Google is not in this to be your friend. I may like the company...but I understand plenty that they even have more reasons behind doing what they are doing there that would take more time to explain than I feel inclined to.

PS: I'm sure that Google has plenty of spare money to afford this compared to TWC. Also, a localized monopoly like the telecoms/ISPs is difficult to fix. PostalTwinkie IIRC could give more details if you ask him though about how to compete.

No company is in it to be your friend, but that doesn't make it bad: they're in it for the profit, and their strategy is to satisfy your needs/desires/wants/etc. At the end of the day, motives are irrelevant. What is relevant is that Google is pushing out fiber.
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I want the upload speed of 1 GB/s internet. I'll write them a letter.

Gigabit internet == 125 MB/s
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Millions per year. Think about it. What does it cost the government to give Google access to their utility poles for free? It's not like they're making any more money NOT letting Google use them. Every aspect of giving Google all the provided assistance is going to benefit KS residents, and the local government, and Google. Taxpayer money may be paying for Google's free/cheap startup, but they would have been paying millions more for their government's internet service from Time Warner Craple, not to mention Kansas is GLOWING ON THE MAP over the whole "we have Google Fiber!" ordeal. Google Fiber boosts tech startups in Kansas City. Huge boom in tech industry in KC = huge boom in tax revenue as well.


Yes, Kansas is off the chain right now. I wish I had the knowledge to do high level networking and networking security. There is TONS more work that people able to do it, and that is rare!
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I tend to agree with them.

Sure there IS "some" demand, but honestly, I would be surprised if there was much of a demand for that speed (if people had to pay an incremental price equal to that of a "normal" speed ... ie 50 times the cost of a 20mb/sec internet rate).

The problem is, people WANT 1GB/sec speed and only want to pay the same amount as 50MB/sec rates.

maybe you should learn how to differentiate between GB/Gb and MB/Mb first.
 
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