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Your reasoning doesn't change the fact that their offer is horrible in comparison to Google Fiber.

Why should I compare Google Fiber to Fios? They don't compete against each other. I was merely pointing out that compared to the cable companies, FiOS is damned reasonable. And just an FYI, I very much want to escape back to Kansas (I hate it in NE) and I intend to find a place in KCK where Google Fiber is up and running.
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Why should I compare Google Fiber to Fios? They don't compete against each other. I was merely pointing out that compared to the cable companies, FiOS is damned reasonable. And just an FYI, I very much want to escape back to Kansas (I hate it in NE) and I intend to find a place in KCK where Google Fiber is up and running.

Well, I was making a statement based on company's in america offering Fiber Based internet, Cable TV(and the DVR, NAS, yadda yadda) for a monthly charge.
Now your trying to bend the rules to defend another company that is offering less than GFiber and for more money. So I still say my original statement stands.

You simply won't find anything near or even close to google for the money in america.

FiOS is TWICE the price just for internet, and that internet isn't even half the speed google fiber is proven to work at.. then you gatta add in the phone and cable TV service.. I looked on there site, they make no mention of offering cloud storage or giving you a NAS.. Then there is the Tablet they don't give you.

Yea, I'll admit that google has such a limited service area, but it still doesn't change the details of the plan offerings any.


Kansas has changed a lot in the last few years, of all places Overland Park(Kansas) has legalized Open Cary(of legally owned firearm's). The last two snow storm's really got us good too lol.
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Your reasoning doesn't change the fact that their offer is horrible in comparison to Google Fiber. So technicly my first post stands.

No ISP is offering even 1/10 of what google is offering.

You can give Version every excuse in the book it still won't change the fact that there offer is surpassed by another.

Apart from some ISPs in Europe.
    
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Give me <10 latency and 20 Mbps speeds and I'll be happy for 30 bucks a month and I'll be happy. We have 100 Mbps in this house and the latency is still poor.
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Apart from some ISPs in Europe.


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Well, I was making a statement based on company's in america offering Fiber Based internet, Cable TV(and the DVR, NAS, yadda yadda) for a monthly charge.
Now your trying to bend the rules to defend another company that is offering less than GFiber and for more money. So I still say my original statement stands.

You simply won't find anything near or even close to google for the money in america.

FiOS is TWICE the price just for internet, and that internet isn't even half the speed google fiber is proven to work at.. then you gatta add in the phone and cable TV service.. I looked on there site, they make no mention of offering cloud storage or giving you a NAS.. Then there is the Tablet they don't give you.

Yea, I'll admit that google has such a limited service area, but it still doesn't change the details of the plan offerings any.


Kansas has changed a lot in the last few years, of all places Overland Park(Kansas) has legalized Open Cary(of legally owned firearm's). The last two snow storm's really got us good too lol.

Jesus people. Read then post.

EDIT: for giggles, please list an ISP that gives gigabit fiber, Cable TV, Phone Serice, NAS, Cloud storage, DVR and a tablet for $130 ish monthly.. I have NEVER seen anything like this in my life anywere lol. Some company's over there might offer some nicer deals than here but googles offer is just insane
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Read...
Jesus people. Read then post.

EDIT: for giggles, please list an ISP that gives gigabit fiber, Cable TV, Phone Serice, NAS, Cloud storage, DVR and a tablet for $130 ish monthly.. I have NEVER seen anything like this in my life anywere lol. Some company's over there might offer some nicer deals than here but googles offer is just insane

Please list an ISP other than Google that has had two cities (Both of the KC) handed to them on a silver platter....

Wait, you can't.

Look, I can appreciate what you are trying to say, but you can't compare Google Fiber to other services. Why? Google did this as a proof of concept originally, their entire reasoning was to prove that with heavy Government subsidization that Gigabit services could be brought to the general populous at a very reasonable rate.

Google was given free infrastructure, free buildings, free labor, expedited building permits, expedited and prioritized right of ways, tax free operation, etc etc. Both of the KC they are in literally rolled out the red carpet, licked it clean with their tongues, and then carried Google in a golden chair down that carpet....while naked.

My point? We, obviously, have the knowledge and technology to do what Google has done in the KC. What it comes down to are financial restrictions, believe it or not Verizon, Charter, Comcast, and all the other guys are a business. They aren't open to be your friend, they aren't a charity, they are a business that wants to make money, period! If you were privy to what it takes to roll out services like Google, without it being handed to you, then you would quickly see that it currently isn't cost effective.

As I have said in many of these threads....

Until local, regional, state, and national Governments get involved and make it feasible, it won't happen anytime soon. Google proved this, without question!
    
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Please list an ISP other than Google that has had two cities (Both of the KC) handed to them on a silver platter....

Wait, you can't.

Look, I can appreciate what you are trying to say, but you can't compare Google Fiber to other services. Why? Google did this as a proof of concept originally, their entire reasoning was to prove that with heavy Government subsidization that Gigabit services could be brought to the general populous at a very reasonable rate.

Google was given free infrastructure, free buildings, free labor, expedited building permits, expedited and prioritized right of ways, tax free operation, etc etc. Both of the KC they are in literally rolled out the red carpet, licked it clean with their tongues, and then carried Google in a golden chair down that carpet....while naked.

My point? We, obviously, have the knowledge and technology to do what Google has done in the KC. What it comes down to are financial restrictions, believe it or not Verizon, Charter, Comcast, and all the other guys are a business. They aren't open to be your friend, they aren't a charity, they are a business that wants to make money, period! If you were privy to what it takes to roll out services like Google, without it being handed to you, then you would quickly see that it currently isn't cost effective.

As I have said in many of these threads....

Until local, regional, state, and national Governments get involved and make it feasible, it won't happen anytime soon. Google proved this, without question!

I can and will compare them. They are both, internet service provider's. As in they both accept money and inreturn they provide me(the end user) with internet.

Why should google be bashed for city's jumping at the chance for their fiber program? It seem's more logical to be upset with the "big boy" service provider's for not doing it first, only to be left doing massive damage control via slanderous post's like the one in OP.

google is a business, They are not doing this for free.I will also argue that it is cost effective. The large majority of local tax payer's have no problem letting local tax money cusion the blow, why do you think thi sis? ohh yea, google is extending FREE SERVICE FOR LIFE to all public work's, governemt, hospital, blah blah blah. Did they have to do this? No, it was an exchange!

No need to insult my intelectual knowledge of networking, ISP's and similar subjects just because you don't agree with it.

And lets think about this for just a second, how did the infilstructure that the internet use's go up in the first place? it most certenly a "poof its there" effect at work. It took decade's to put that in place. and guess what, The entire country was not wired at once. It had to start some were. Google has selected to start here in KC.

All the arguments aginst google fiber just plain suck, you guys need to stop being jealous...

"its not possible to do it" yea, tell that to the people using google fiber right now this very second for 130 a month!
"the city kissed google's ass" nobody was stopping other's from doing a "fiber hood project"
"it cost's too much" It is costly, but as KC has shown a community will find the money to make this happen, If a service provider is offering.

Rather than offer, TWC would rather come up with reasons to smear.
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I can and will compare them. They are both, internet service provider's. As in they both accept money and inreturn they provide me(the end user) with internet.

Unfortunately, your regular ISP is classified, legally by the Government, differently than what Google is/was. Making it more difficult to obtain certain "benefits"....

See below...
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Why should google be bashed for city's jumping at the chance for their fiber program? It seem's more logical to be upset with the "big boy" service provider's for not doing it first, only to be left doing massive damage control via slanderous post's like the one in OP.

Big ISPs aren't doing damage control, Google wasn't damaging to them, they are in two cities.
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google is a business, They are not doing this for free.I will also argue that it is cost effective. The large majority of local tax payer's have no problem letting local tax money cusion the blow, why do you think thi sis? ohh yea, google is extending FREE SERVICE FOR LIFE to all public work's, governemt, hospital, blah blah blah. Did they have to do this? No, it was an exchange!

This is where you are mistaken...

Google did have to offer this, in order to achieve the grants and special access they did. By providing these free services to the public sector they are classified differently, not just as a For Profit Corporation. It is a legal loophole to the industry, and as someone in the industry, I have seen it used many times!

A For Profit Corporation donates certain services to the right groups, they are given a "Charity" or similar classification, on top of their normal business classification. By having that they are able to obtain a number of benefits typically out of reach of "For Profit" companies.
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No need to insult my intelectual knowledge of networking, ISP's and similar subjects just because you don't agree with it.

Not sure how I insulted your intelligence...

You seem rather uppity at this point though.
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And lets think about this for just a second, how did the infilstructure that the internet use's go up in the first place? it most certenly a "poof its there" effect at work. It took decade's to put that in place. and guess what, The entire country was not wired at once. It had to start some were. Google has selected to start here in KC.

The current nation wide infrastructure uses Fiber, RF, and copper based technologies that were built over many decades. A very very very large portion of which was government subsidized! Thus further proving MY point!
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All the arguments aginst google fiber just plain suck, you guys need to stop being jealous...

Wait, you try to say I am insulting your intelligence, when it never happen, and yet you are going off now and actually outright insulting us?

This guy.....
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"its not possible to do it" yea, tell that to the people using google fiber right now this very second for 130 a month!

I never said it wasn't possible, I said it required heavy subsidization. Just as what was done with Google, and as mentioned above, the "original" infrastructure we have.
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"the city kissed google's ass" nobody was stopping other's from doing a "fiber hood project"

Actually KC, and many other Governments, are stopping others from doing it. Again, a point you are hugely mistaken on.

Municipalities franchise out areas to companies, as well as provide utility right of ways to other business that have priority of another. Cities and local Governments make it extremely difficult for businesses to expand. Except in the case with Google where the KCs waived those same rules.

Don't believe me? Contact the power companies Joint Use Facilities and see how much of a nightmare it is to deal with that. Try getting right of ways to lay Fiber in public domain.....

Oh, you haven't done that before? Well I have, it isn't easy.
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"it cost's too much" It is costly, but as KC has shown a community will find the money to make this happen, If a service provider is offering.

You are right, the PEOPLE are typically OK with footing the bill for this sort of thing. Unfortunately the balance sheets haven't been produced in full yet, so we still don't really know what the ultimate cost of Google Fiber will be to the people of KC.

Though, the thing to do would be go talk to the people in KC who will NEVER have Google Fiber. Ask them how they feel about footing the bill of a service they won't ever see.....

I bet that goes over like a fart in church.
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Rather than offer, TWC would rather come up with reasons to smear.

I don't agree with what TWC said, there is demand and need for 100Mb services.
    
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You would make a brilliant politician..

seem's we have an impasse, or difference of opinion.

The bulk of your argument boils down to; google used loop holes to accomplish their fiber program and that they have no intention's of expanding/they only offer service to a small market.

Your loop hole comments would be valid if TWC didn't use loop holes in there operation.. Same with other ISP's. I dare you to say they don't exploit loop holes.

and google is expanding, more cities are added to the roster. So until google stops construction and release's that they are done with their fiber project and no more fiberhood's will be added its purely an assumption. they could end up taking this show on the road.

Uppity is one way to put it, I just cannot fathom how anyone would bash google for doing there fiber project other than they are upset there area was not selected, forcing them to keep putting up with the shaft known as American ISP's.
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I know TON's of people using TWC and feel that they are not getting a fair deal. Most of them that will switch to GFiber won't be able to use the full extent of the connection, but if google can offer it for next to nothing your silly for not going for it. No cable or ISP on the planet is offering a 10th of what Gfiber is offering, the best part is Gfiber is priced cheaper than most of them!
I pray that Google expands faster! They are going to expand a good deal in the next two years but they need to start other little hot spots of Gfiber goodness and let them slowly grow into each other.

The local reaction here has been "shut up and take my money now". There was some nonsense caused by some low income folks around here. They felt the $300 construction fee for the free internet as long as you live there wasn't fair.. But those people got their cake and are eating it now. Google ended up waving the fee's.

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