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Don't know about you guys , but comparing the Asus 670 DC2 with the 7970 DC2 , the 670 price was 378 and the 7970 450 here in Greece , actually , AMD cards are more expensive over here than Nvidia!
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Nvidia has Physx and they know serious Pc Gamers take that into account and are willing to pay more for a Graphics Card that Supports more Features than it's opponents. At least that is my educated guess. Hasn't Nvidia Generally been more than ATI? I thought ATI is more of the budget gamer or someone who is a fan of ATI for whatever reason that is.

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Don't know about you guys , but comparing the Asus 670 DC2 with the 7970 DC2 , the 670 price was 378 and the 7970 450 here in Greece , actually , AMD cards are more expensive over here than Nvidia!

I don't understand why ATI is more expensive over there, when as far as I know ATI Cards don't support PHYSX in games such as Batman AA or AC, or Metro2033, Alice Madness, and a couple other games that take advantage of the PHYS-X experience. As PC gamers, I would think most of us would like to have those extra effects that Consoles don't have.
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Nvidia has Physx and they know serious Pc Gamers take that into account and are willing to pay more for a Graphics Card that Supports more Features than it's opponents. At least that is my educated guess. Hasn't Nvidia Generally been more than ATI? I thought ATI is more of the budget gamer or someone who is a fan of ATI for whatever reason that is.
I don't understand why ATI is more expensive over there, when as far as I know ATI Cards don't support PHYSX in games such as Batman AA or AC, or Metro2033, Alice Madness, and a couple other games that take advantage of the PHYS-X experience. As PC gamers, I would think most of us would like to have those extra effects that Consoles don't have.

PhysX can be run on the CPU too. That's the default when you use an AMD card, but you can force it to the CPU on NVIDIA too. Put a big enough CPU in the PC and you get good performance. Alternatively, you can buy a GTX 660 or similar as PhysX card, but then I'd like to remind you that the effect of PhysX is rarely that great.

PhysX is a quite rare, often pointless feature. I do agree that it was used to good effect in some games, but it's rarely a huge change. There's a good reason for this: Unless you limit your use of physics so that a normal CPU can calculate the effects, AMD users can't enable it. If the majority of AMD users can't enable PhysX, the effects must not be integral to the gameplay. If you make a physics based puzzle (Portal as an obvious example), you can't use PhysX because then AMD users can't play the game. You'd be killing your own game, so PhysX is limited to cosmetic effects, unlike Havok physics.
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PhysX can be run on the CPU too. That's the default when you use an AMD card, but you can force it to the CPU on NVIDIA too. Put a big enough CPU in the PC and you get good performance. Alternatively, you can buy a GTX 660 or similar as PhysX card, but then I'd like to remind you that the effect of PhysX is rarely that great.

PhysX is a quite rare, often pointless feature. I do agree that it was used to good effect in some games, but it's rarely a huge change. There's a good reason for this: Unless you limit your use of physics so that a normal CPU can calculate the effects, AMD users can't enable it. If the majority of AMD users can't enable PhysX, the effects must not be integral to the gameplay. If you make a physics based puzzle (Portal as an obvious example), you can't use PhysX because then AMD users can't play the game. You'd be killing your own game, so PhysX is limited to cosmetic effects, unlike Havok physics.
On the topic of running PhysX on CPU:

http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-capable-of-handling-the-physx-effects/

So yes, it kind of works, but no, you can't really play like that.
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On the topic of running PhysX on CPU:

http://physxinfo.com/news/9425/borderlands-2-is-cpu-capable-of-handling-the-physx-effects/

So yes, it kind of works, but no, you can't really play like that.

I didn't say it was easy, but it is possible. Hybrid PhysX is a good solution for AMD users if they really desire the effects.

My main point is that PhysX does not have enough of an impact in games to make me want to get an NVIDIA GPU regardless of price. It's too rare and when it's there, it's completely cosmetic.
I have only purchased 2 games in my life with PhysX support. Mirror's Edge, which I didn't like, and Metro 2033 which was already so resource-heavy that PhysX didn't make sense. It's a really bad ratio considering all the games I own. Metro Last Light will be my next PhysX game and I obviously won't use that feature.
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***. I have been away for like 4 months, doing some apartment, new baby stuff and after these months things have turned upsidedown. I sold my old XFX R7970DD with EK FX7900 block to get an Gigabyte GTX680 Super Overclock and now that I am back, the old R7970 just owns! What happened, and why hasnt Nvidia done anything to improve?

I mean, AMD was the looser and that with some margin and suddenly they just own in close to every single game with a similar margin - and with that same old 7970 chip!

OMG. Shame on NVidia.
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I didn't say it was easy, but it is possible. Hybrid PhysX is a good solution for AMD users if they really desire the effects.

My main point is that PhysX does not have enough of an impact in games to make me want to get an NVIDIA GPU regardless of price. It's too rare and when it's there, it's completely cosmetic.
I have only purchased 2 games in my life with PhysX support. Mirror's Edge, which I didn't like, and Metro 2033 which was already so resource-heavy that PhysX didn't make sense. It's a really bad ratio considering all the games I own. Metro Last Light will be my next PhysX game and I obviously won't use that feature.

I'm not really a big fan of PhysX either, but what I do know is that IF you want PhysX, you really are better of just going Nvidia. All this CPU and hybrid PhysX talk is just weird: if you're willing to go through that hassle, then why not just go Nvidia in the first place?

I played Metro 2033 with PhysX ON back in the day. Had to turn down some graphics settings, but went with PhysX because among the cosmetic settings (like AA, DOF), it had the most appeal to me. It is a clear value-added option in Batman: AA, Batman: AC and Borderlands 2 as well. Sure you can get along without it, but that goes for just about anything in PC gaming. Heck, even PC gaming itself. But yes, PhysX is rare and in general should have little to no impact on the choice of a GPU. I know it didn't for me, it was all about SLI vs CF.
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Wait, so what exactly is PhysX? Is it just the ability to see the particles and stuff? is that like the same thing in Battlefield 3? I thought/heard PhysX technology isnt really super finalized and NVidia hasnt really been putting time into improving physx drivers?
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Don't forget 7950/7970 are produced on a bigger die ( 365mm^2) than GTX 670/680 (294 mm^2) on the same 28nm TSMC process so Nvidia's production cost should be less than that of AMD, meaning their card have a larger profit margin. That combined with Nvidia being in better financial shape than AMD probably contributed to why 670/680 prices in the US have been consistently higher than 7950/7970 prices since the 7950 price cuts in August(to match 660Ti).
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