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When will people learn that companies don't give a crap about the enthousiasts or the consumers, they only care about money and profits, thats all.

MONEY MONEY rules the world.
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post #82 of 131
They're using medium settings in the benchmark probably because of the CPU bottleneck. Because they're using 3960X at stock speed, they have to use medium settings so that we should be able to see the performance of all cards without bottleneck. Now imagine if max settings with the stock speed, it won't work with more than one Titan or 2 GTX 690s especially in the most demanding games.
Secondly, if you're wondering why 2 Titans is better than 2 690s in most games, it's because of 2 690s basically contain 4 680s and 4 680s don't work very well just like 4 7970s. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Moustache View Post

They're using medium settings in the benchmark probably because of the CPU bottleneck. Because they're using 3960X at stock speed, they have to use medium settings so that we should be able to see the performance of all cards without bottleneck. Now imagine if max settings with the stock speed, it won't work with more than one Titan or 2 GTX 690s especially in the most demanding games.
Secondly, if you're wondering why 2 Titans is better than 2 690s in most games, it's because of 2 690s basically contain 4 680s and 4 680s don't work very well just like 4 7970s. Correct me if I'm wrong.
What...confused.gif

Would running it at medium create the cpu bottleneck?

Where as running at maxed would point out any gpu bottleneck?

Or maybe I have it wrong....
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post #84 of 131
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Originally Posted by Moustache View Post

They're using medium settings in the benchmark probably because of the CPU bottleneck. Because they're using 3960X at stock speed, they have to use medium settings so that we should be able to see the performance of all cards without bottleneck. Now imagine if max settings with the stock speed, it won't work with more than one Titan or 2 GTX 690s especially in the most demanding games.
Secondly, if you're wondering why 2 Titans is better than 2 690s in most games, it's because of 2 690s basically contain 4 680s and 4 680s don't work very well just like 4 7970s. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Medium will make the game more CPU limited.

Since this was a GPU review, almost all settings (if not all) should be maxed.
 
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post #85 of 131
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$1000 more to gain 10FPS in one game, astonishing.

What he said, seriously!
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post #86 of 131
Awesome! Love that they test 4-way SLI at 1080p resolutions smile.gif
post #87 of 131
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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

The $550 7970 on release, and $1000 FX57 would like to have a word with you.

IF AMD could charge more for their products, they most certainly would. AMD didn't drop the price of the 7970 until AFTER the 680 was released, and even then, they didn't want to because the 680 was sold out everywhere initially. Competition drove the price of the 7970 down.

Hypothetically speaking, let's pretend that AMD released an 8970 today, and it was faster than Titan by 10%. Do you think AMD would price it at $500?
I wasn't 'in the loop' when FX57 was released so I can't comment
$550 7970 was priced on performance based on, guess what, the GTX 580 that commanded $500...yes a Fermi refresh at the time already 2 years old.

If AMD 8970 was released with comparable performance to Titan and Titan's price wasn't announced yet, I'm willing to bet it NOT be $1000. If I had to guess $700-800.
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When will people learn that companies don't give a crap about the enthousiasts or the consumers, they only care about money and profits, thats all.

MONEY MONEY rules the world.

no doubt money makes the world go round and round.

But you have to question just how much gouging is happening. In the mobile industry, you compare things like a $700 iPhone 5 or $700 Note 2 then you wonder how LG is able to release the Nexus 4 for half of that cost with similar or better specs...

They KNOW enthusiast and/or blind fans going to dump ridiculous amounts just to say they have the best....if the Titan was priced $2500 i'd bet many will still run out and grab a pair day 1.
     
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I'm really glad to see frame times in reviews lately. This is good information.
 
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post #89 of 131
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I wasn't 'in the loop' when FX57 was released so I can't comment
$550 7970 was priced on performance based on, guess what, the GTX 580 that commanded $500...yes a Fermi refresh at the time already 2 years old.

If AMD 8970 was released with comparable performance to Titan and Titan's price wasn't announced yet, I'm willing to bet it NOT be $1000. If I had to guess $700-800.
no doubt money makes the world go round and round.

But you have to question just how much gouging is happening. In the mobile industry, you compare things like a $700 iPhone 5 or $700 Note 2 then you wonder how LG is able to release the Nexus 4 for half of that cost with similar or better specs...

They KNOW enthusiast and/or blind fans going to dump ridiculous amounts just to say they have the best....if the Titan was priced $2500 i'd bet many will still run out and grab a pair day 1.

And see, this is where you've proven my point about AMD's pricing. smile.gif

The 2 examples I gave you are when AMD was ahead of the competition, and their products were priced accordingly.

FX57 was AMD's last dominant CPU over Intel, and it was priced at $1000.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/athlon-64-fx,1067.html

Had AMD continued to dominate Intel, they would've continued to have $1000 CPU's....

AMD compared the 7970 to a LAST gen card to justify the $550 price tag. The 7970 was replacing the 6970 that retailed for about ~$350 at the time, so they charged a $200 premium or a 57% increase over its previous card.

If AMD was this good will company some people make it out to be, shouldn't they have priced the 7970 at say $450, heck, even $499? Or perhaps $350 since that's how much the card was they were replacing... The 6970 was $350 in the first place BECAUSE of its performance compared to the 580, otherwise, AMD was aiming at the $450 mark, but NVIDIA ruined those plans with the 580.

My point is, AMD is not doing anyone any favors, their products are priced where they're at because of their performance, NOT because AMD chooses to price them cheaper for the good will of their customers.

AMD's goal is to make money, period. Which happens to be the same goal as Intel, NVIDIA, and any other company out there. They're just not doing as good a job as others lately:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2012/11/30/why-amds-stock-collapsed-and-how-it-can-recover/
http://www.benzinga.com/news/earnings/13/01/3264626/amd-is-on-life-support-while-these-semiconductor-stocks-thrive
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post #90 of 131
may be if they didn't price their 7970 for $550 at launch many people would not have been able to score them for under $300 last Black Friday rolleyes.gif

Of course companies are out to make money, it's a business. It's just sad how blatant the green you see in some of their eyes (one company vs the other). It's like Activision/EA charging premium memberships for their popular games when the Valve equivalent is free.

lesson learned: let the enthusiast/early adopters take the hit...so yes please ...guys keep buying your Titans for $1000-1200 thumb.gif
we should stop supporting AMD/Nvidia and buy $199 PS3 or $99 XBOX360 or stick with facebook games.thumb.gifthumb.gif
     
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