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hmm i wanna get one.
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Any OC reviews on these chips?
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Any OC reviews on these chips?
I would not get my hopes up very high. We shall see and I will be awaiting the proof of actual overclocks as well as you
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The decreased latency provided by the IMC pretty much makes up for the lack of cache, no analogy is needed to show that. No analogy involving a 5GHz C2D and 512mb of RAM or even a 2.5GHz C2D with 1GB of RAM, just the IMC and decreased latency
You still PHYSICALLY cannot fit anything over 512kb into the L2 cache on the CPU.

Jori, you said it makes a 2% difference. 200mhz on 939 isn't 2%. I don't see why AM2 is so different. So you're telling me that the FX-62 with 2x 1MB is a waste of time and money? The truth is that AMD cheaped out on the cache, not that it doesn't effect performance.
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You still PHYSICALLY cannot fit anything over 512kb into the L2 cache on the CPU.

Jori, you said it makes a 2% difference. 200mhz on 939 isn't 2%. I don't see why AM2 is so different. So you're telling me that the FX-62 with 2x 1MB is a waste of time and money? The truth is that AMD cheaped out on the cache, not that it doesn't effect performance.

There were several reviews not long ago on the performance impact of extra cache on the AM2. Compared to skt939, the difference from 1MB vs. 512KB wasn't that big on the AM2 platform.
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But doesn't the increased latencies of DDR2 hurt the memory performance vs. the latencies of DDR?
    
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iiiiiii wwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnntttttttt oooooooonnnnneeeeeee

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You still PHYSICALLY cannot fit anything over 512kb into the L2 cache on the CPU.

Jori, you said it makes a 2% difference. 200mhz on 939 isn't 2%. I don't see why AM2 is so different. So you're telling me that the FX-62 with 2x 1MB is a waste of time and money? The truth is that AMD cheaped out on the cache, not that it doesn't effect performance.
On AM2 is makes a small difference compared to 939. Why? Because of DDR2 and its operating faster. It compensates for it.
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also..doesnt AMD have a larger L1 cache? does that count for anything?
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K, one "key" factor that everyone keeps forgetting about L2 cache between AMD's and Core 2 Duos is that "ONE" requires an IMC while the other "ONE" doesn't. So to say: Where's the other 1MB or 2MB of L2 Cache at? Well, how about: How come, NO IMC in Core 2 Duos?

Everyone keeps mix-matching these two techs and you cannot squeeze lemon juice out of an apple, people.

So, if for AMD to have a 512KB of L2 cache is more than enough to keep the speeds up and cost down, why not?

I can see that people are saying that AMD doesn't need an extra 512KB of L2 cache because the performance would not be noticeable, well I'm sure that it would be noticeable but not like a day and night type of difference but.....it'd be there. Because the difference between a 3500+ and 3700+ was only a mere 512KB of L2 cache but both had the same clock speed of 2.20ghz.

So, to say that it doesn't really matter, I don't think so, it matters but not to such scale that people think it would cripple a system with a CPU with a puny 512KB of L2 cache.

And BTW, AMD have a larger L1 cache (than Intel's) which is also important but hey! No one takes or forgets that into account.
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