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I 100pct agree with the above. The key to getting the benefits of fast memory lies in the rest of the system. If you run high memory speeds but the rest of your computer is made up of mid-range hardware, or if you have a bottleneck anywhere in your system, you are not going to benefit.

The testing I've done, and continue to do, has shown me that the higher the CPU clock, the greater the effect of the memory speed. Same goes with your GPU's. Running stock speeds, even with a recent card, will result in slower performance than if the same card is overclocked. Even the storage subsystem comes into play, with solid state drives alleviating the biggest bottleneck in any computer. If you are running a hard drive, you will find the performance of the memory is limited. I have tried this with my 830 256GB SSD, 2x 840Pro 256GB in RAID0, a single WD10EZEX 1TB HDD (short-stroked to 300GB, for an avg/max/min sequential RW speeds of 191MBs/203MBs/188MBs and access times of 8.7ms), 2x WD10EZEX in RAID0 (each short-stroked to 200GB for 382MBs/391MBs/377MBs and 7.9ms access times), a single WD VelociRaptor 1TB (161/172/139MBs and 10.1ms, and short-stroked to 300GB for 166/173/161MBs with 7.2ms), and two in RAID0 (298/334/273MBs and 9.2ms, and short-stroked to 200GB each for 331/343/324MBs and 7.0ms). I also used a single WD10FAEX 1TB (133/152/103 and 14.8ms), a single Seagate 7200.12 1TB (148/165/98 and 14.3ms), a single Seagate 7200.14 1TB (169/207/127 and 14.3ms), a single WD Black 1TB (132/154/96 and 13.5ms), a single WD Green 2TB (129/161/79 and 20.1ms), and a few other drives (older, such as a WD 320GB WD3200AAKS, HGST Deskstar 1TB,and even a WD1600JB which I have had for 8 years, and which is surprisingly slower than only the VR in seeks).

The fastest was obviously having the games and benchmarks on the 2x 840Pro 256GB RAID0 array, with Sequential R/W speeds of 1,103MBs/1,023MBs. The single 830 256GB actually outperformed the single 840Pro for some reason. The RAID0 and short-stroked WD10EZEX are behind the SSDs but far ahead of all theoother mechanical drives, with the VelociRaptor RAID0 and short-stroked coming in behind, followed by the single WD10EZEX in both full and short-stroked capacity, then the VR in both capacities, with all the other drives similarly slow.
Even with the extremely impressive numbers put out by the RAID0 array of the 2 WD10EZEX drives, it's simply not anywhere close to the slowest SSD (Vertex 4 256GB), and the difference between the varying SSDs in single drive configurations is minimal (830 256GB + 840Pro 256GB are virtually tied at the top, then the Plextor M5P-Xtreme 256GB is very slightly behind, then the Intel 335, Corsair Neutron GTX, Corsair Performance Pro, Vertex3 MaxIOPS 256GB, and the Vertex4).
The difference between the varying hard drives and their configurations shows much greater differences in performance, with the fastest single drive (WD10EZEX) being over 3.5x faster than the slowest newer drive (WD6400AAKS). When adding the RAID0 arrays into the picture, the mechanical drives suddenly put themselves in between the SSDs and their solo brethren, although definitely closer to the other spinning drives.

Similarly, with the CPU, your overclock plays a big role in the effect of RAM speed. I have been using my 3930K + RIVE setup for most of the testing so far, but I have been working with the 3770K + GA-Z77X-UP7 more and more as I reach the limits of my SNB-E's IMC.
I have tested everything from 3.0Ghz to 5.2Ghz on the 3930K, and have used the 100, 125, and 166 straps and varied the actual BCLK from -7.0 to +8.3 (@ 100strap) to test the limits of different overclocks. For some basic background, the CPU VCORE ranges from 1.175v to 1.4425v (I have a good chip), VTT + VCCSA range from 1.1v to 1.2v, PLL from 1.58xxV to 1.9125v, LLC always at "Very High" (using a Fluke DMM, it results in a nearly Perfect 1:1 set-to-actual vCORE). The VDIMM is set from 1.5v to as much as 1.750v (for 24/7 overclocks) or 1.925v (for finding the limit), and the memory is cooled via 50F air from a portable AC unit blowing directly into the case, which results in temps around 11C case temps under load, 14C MB temp, 22C VRM temps, 13-18C RAM temps, 29-51C CPU temps, and 14-19C GPU Temps, with the CPU/MB/GPU under water).
Using MaxxMEM, with the standard 2133 9-11-10-28 kit speeds, there's about 25-33 percent gains going from 3.2Ghz to 4.8Ghz, with no memory tweaking.
In games, the difference is that at stock (with a single GPU), a 1600 7-8-7-16 kit and the 2133 9-11-10-28 kit both stutter, although less so for the 2133 kit. However, when cranked to 5Ghz, the 1600 kit stutters while the 2133 has decreased it's stuttering by almost 90 percent.

When using a single card, the difference is there especially if stock. However, it's when running two cards that it's most apparent. The 2133 9-11-10-28 kit is nearly as smooth as a single card (and with the GPU's @ 1394core/7448mem, they are as smooth as a single card), while the 1600 kit results in very perceptible hitching during fast turns, and unexpectedly the 1600 kit has issues with texture pop in, which isn't present with the higher speed memory.

TL;DR VERSION

Your system is only as fast as it's weakest link. If you are running a stock CPU/GPU (or slow/old/underpowered), using mechanical drives instead of an SSD, etc, then you will benefit far more from upgrading and/or overclocking those components than you will from faster RAM. However, if you have a top of the line system,then you wiwill find that increasing your memory speed will result in perceptible increases in smoothness, a reduction or elimination of stuttering/hitchingand pop-in textures, aand a higher minimum frame rate.
   
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Quad Core, hex core, octo core,... most games only need a good dual or quad core, so why purchase all these better processors when a game can't even utilize the performance?

Not everyone games ONLY, and not everyone cares about games ONLY. For builders and computer enthusiasts, sometimes just knowing the computer is capable of a certain power is all that matters.

My car can go 200mph+ but I do not dare to drive that fast. It can do quarter mile in 12 seconds, but I do not go to the grocery store in 12 seconds. Sure, it may not be practical or real purposeful, but the car/computer is capable and not many others are of the same thing. It is about being non-standard, better than average. thumb.gif

Cheers mates

Happy Memorial Day
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Quad Core, hex core, octo core,... most games only need a good dual or quad core, so why purchase all these better processors when a game can't even utilize the performance?



My car can go 200mph+ but I do not dare to drive that fast. It can do quarter mile in 12 seconds, but I do not go to the grocery store in 12 seconds. Sure, it may not be practical or real purposeful, but the car/computer is capable and not many others are of the same thing. It is about being non-standard, better than average. thumb.gif

Cheers mates

Happy Memorial Day


First of all, yes, there are a decent amount of games that utilize AT LEAST 4 cores, and with the new consoles having "8-core" CPU's, I think developers finally have the push they need to really make games take advantage of multi-threading.


Also, my track car (my 328Ci which has cost me a fortune to build, pushing 493rwhp @ 7380rpm and 438rw-tq @ 1850-5250rpm w 90%+ available from 1200rpm thru 6100rpm courtesy a FULLY built motor @ 10.8:1 compression ratio and a modified Lysholm 2.8L twin-screw blower with a triple-thick core FMIC, meth injection, and a quartet of misters for the FMIC, 3 in front and 1 in rear; see profile for pics, see other posts for a partial parts-list, if interested....whole parts list is over 50 pages in Excel...) can run the quarter-mile in 10.218sec @ 139.52mph with just "street wheels" (J-Line 5LR2 custom-made 18x9" 16.8lb front and 18x11.5" 18.4lb rear wheels) and DOT-Approved street legal tires: Michelin Pilot Sport Cups in 265/35R18 and 295/30R18 front/rear (avg of my times on 93oct pump gas, which is 14.5psi on the blower; have quick-change pulleys/belts for the blower for 18.5psi, 21psi, and 24.5psi for 98oct, 103oct, and 109oct, respectively). It's not a drag car, but with 1/4 tank of 110oct, the 24.5psi pulley and belt, and some sticky rubber it'll run mid-9's with a better 1/4mile driver than I (can't run smaller wheels with drag radials, due to StopTech Monbobloc 6-Piston monobloc calipers 395x38mm (15.55"x1.5") 2pc floating slotted rotors front / 4-Piston Monobloc 384x34mm (15.1"x1.4") 2pc floating slotted rotors rear, big brake kit; the J-Line's had to be custom made to fit over the brakes, and I've got about 4mm of clearance at most).

I ABSOLUTELY GET TO THE GROCERY STORE IN 10.218sec !!!! wink.gifthumb.gif
   
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Frame times: ( "smoothness factor" )
Metro Last Light
1080p Max details
3770K
ram at:

ddr3-1333 10-10-10-31 crappy subtimings, very crappy ram
ddr3-1600 9-9-9-24 moderate subtimings, normal 1600 ram like corsair vengeance
ddr3-2000 7-7-7-21 very tight subtimings, wicked ram

DDR3-1333 vs DDR3-2000



DDR3-1600 vs DDR3-2000

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this dude makes my day every time ,you choking your bandwidth genius ,yeah that RAM is wicked..for 2D thumb.gif,try 2400+ (8Gb+)
EDIT; try more games,make sure you have equal amount of RAM (same RAM for comparison )
Edited by coolhandluke41 - 5/24/13 at 2:52pm
    
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this dude makes my day every time ,you choking your bandwidth genius ,yeah that RAM is wicked..for 2D thumb.gif,try 2400+ (8Gb+)
EDIT; try more games

How am I choking my bandwidth genius ? ( you can also stop confusing benchmarking 3D Marks, AquaMark, etc with real-life gaming they have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in common )
You're claiming that higher bandwidth = more fps ( then you said that it's not higher fps, it's smoother gaming, smoother gaming = lower frame times & less frame time variance [ less time between frames and consistent timing... ] ) and here we are.
Barely seeing a difference between a ridiculously slow DDR3-1333 kit and a DDR3-2000 fast kit, and seeing a tie between a regular DDR3-1600 kit and a DDR3-2000 kit ( want to compare our bandwidth ? you at 2400 and me at 2000 with my timing-set ? gonna be fun wink.gif )

I hope you're feeling good with yourself either telling lies or fooling people into buying things that DO NOT benefit them at all smile.gif
Edited by BenchZowner - 5/24/13 at 3:06pm
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read my last post Mr. big shot bencher..come back and I'l have some milk and cookies for U
    
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read my last post Mr. big shot bencher

Name calling won't help you out in this case ( or any other case anyway ).

It's the same memory kit, i'm just changing the frequency and timings.

And yeah, I've done tests with more than a lot of games, page with results has been linked a gazillion times already, it's definitely posted in the last 2-3 pages...
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If this is the same RAM ,I definitely can't tell from them screens and you still running 2000 4Gb ,as for name calling read your posts
EDIT; leave the timings alone just shoot for frequency say 1333-2400 and more games (metro is not the best and it will only show exactly what you referring to as GPU power )
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Interesting.... I thought there would be a big difference but apparently not
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