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post #11 of 37
You put a hammer in your $250 monitor because the white varied slightly from one side to the other? Wow. That's pure lunacy.
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Did you try playing around with the AMA settings for the BenQ GW2450HM?
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Played with AMA, the more overdrive i put the more ghosting was, i was able to saw the mouse pointer's shadow while i moved. That VA panel was soooo slow.

Yes i smashed it because is a crap DELL monitor, a very crap DELL monitor. IF you buy 3 U2312HM with different revisions in hoping to resolve the white uniformity issue, or hoping to grab a better panel, trust me you will do the same, crap monitors needs to die, no matter what. I tested some monitors and NO ONE had that white uniformity, and i can say i tested some very cheap IPS monitors and very cheap TN's, and no one had that one, only the precious U2312HM, three times in a row. To be clear the white problem U2312HM had was not a minor problem, something you notice only if you stay on a white background and keep looking on the screen to compare areas of white, was very noticeable, i couldn't browse the internet, because on one half the images/text/etc. was lower in brightness, and the other side was extremely higher in brightness, basically to be equal, i either needed to use very cold colors(blue-ish) or to put my browser window in the part of the screen where displayed the proper color.

And i really need an IPS, if i find an IPS that is the same or almost the same in response time or lag as that U2312HM i will be happy, also without the white problem of course. Asked some people, saw some games playing, and they say the LG IPS234V-PN is ok for gaming, and has no major ghosting, i don't need to be like a TN, just want to don't have major ghosting, like that BenQ VA had. This is really the list time i put money in monitors, my only option saw the offers on my local IT store (europe) and filtered by IPS panels, and the price to be low too, is the IPS234V-PN. People say that every IPS by LG has a real response time of 14ms bwb. As long as it will not have something major in gaming. And i imagine U2312HM being an IPS has the same 14ms time.
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post #14 of 37
After reading your posts (and frankly it's sort of scary if someone gets angry enough to smash hardware, tbh), I think you simply need to forget about LCD's and just spend your effort on grabbing a decent CRT that's in good condition, learn how to maintain it, possibly get it recapped to avoid bad/bulging cap issues (that will take a lot of research plus someone who can actually still work on these things) and just hold onto that CRT until OLED monitors hit mainstream and drop under $1k.

That's what I recommend. Because the only LCD's that can give you the quality you want are the $1,000+ ones, and I don't know how well those perform on the desktop/gaming, etc, and you will definitely have to worry about either ghosting or input lag.

Grab a CRT and wait for OLED.
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post #15 of 37
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As i said before tested a couple of IPS, and TN monitors, and NONE of those had my white problems. So i smashed it because that model from DELL is a crap monitor. I don't think you realize how big was the problem. The part where was pure white, when i touched the screen was very hot, and the part with the problems was cold, so that model has something wrong by factory.

Don't need a CRT, please don't troll. I just wanted to tell here what happened. I will try my luck with AH-IPS, instead of the E-IPS U2312HM had. IPS234V will try it in a couple of weeks, and post here the results.
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post #16 of 37
Uh huh... The more overdrive you use the more ghosting you see? You're getting overshoot from too much overdrive. You should have turned it down
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post #17 of 37
IPS234V-PN has slower response than U2312HM but pretty much no overshoot whereas the U2312HM has some. Both have next to no processing delays.

Compare the two:
http://www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2012/test-lg-ips234v-pn-teil6.html#Reaktionsverhalten
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2312hm-part13.html#Responsiveness
post #18 of 37
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I really don't understand what you say, what means no processing delays? Are you saying that for a normal human eye, the IPS234V-PN will be the same in terms of response time ? I also saw people playing games in youtube on IPS234V, so this seems to be decent in gaming.

In the PRAD review, what means on the picture s/w and D15 ? Also what this actually means ?
" The OSD of the IPS234V is a overscan, which is disabled by default, so a 1080p input signal is displayed pixel. If you activate the overscan, the display is slightly enlarged and cropped Approximately 20 edge pixels of the image."
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I really don't understand what you say, what means no processing delays? Are you saying that for a normal human eye, the IPS234V-PN will be the same in terms of response time ? I also saw people playing games in youtube on IPS234V, so this seems to be decent in gaming.

In the PRAD review, what means on the picture s/w and D15 ? Also what this actually means ?
" The OSD of the IPS234V is a overscan, which is disabled by default, so a 1080p input signal is displayed pixel. If you activate the overscan, the display is slightly enlarged and cropped Approximately 20 edge pixels of the image."

Lower processing delays of any kind, so less time between getting an input and displaying it, so less input lag. I mean less input lag.

I'm saying that IPS234V-PN might look slower and blurrier (but not much) for some pixel transitions, so for some motion, it may look a little worse than the U2312HM. It might look a little better for some others, because there will be less reverse ghosting (overshoot). If you turned AMA to the highest on the GW2450HM and saw worse motion performance, that was because of higher reverse ghosting (overshoot). Actually, the LG is faster for the black/white transition, just slower for most changes.

In the bar graphs, lower numbers represent lower response times. There are three difference scenarios shown, then the overall latency (by some measure) at the bottom. You can see the numbers for the IPS234V-PN are higher for the same tests than on the U2312HM, but the graph to the right indicates less overshoot: the green line doesn't go past the value of the square black line.

The s/w is schwarz / weisse (black / white) transition.
The GtG is the best gray-to-gray measured.
D15 is the average of 15 gray-to-gray transitions measured.
Latenz is latency.


The other thing is not really relevant to what you're asking.
Edited by mikeaj - 3/3/13 at 1:37pm
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Wow, thanks for clarifying this for me. So basically the LG has better black white transition but stays rather a little slower on GTG. Also, i hope will be better on overshoot, because i had some minor on U2312HM.

Also, what is Fall and Rise from that graph ? Seems is 2-6 ms slower on GTG and D15 compared with U2312HM. What i try to ask if how i will notice a slower GTG response time, how it will manifest ?
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