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I'd never go water cooling and I'll probably always buy nvidia.

I was thinking about fitting a Prolimetech MK-26 on an nvidia card like my Gigabyte Gtx670. Would I gave been better off with a reference card? Like if reference cards didnt have such bad cooling, could it have higher OCs than a custom pcb? My 670 already runs at 1350mhz with locked voltage.

Simply put, are reference nvidia pcbs better than custom pcbs in terms of overclocking with aftermarket coolers? And do custom pcbs have compatibility issues to aftermarket aircooling?
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post #12 of 22
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I'd never go water cooling and I'll probably always buy nvidia.

I was thinking about fitting a Prolimetech MK-26 on an nvidia card like my Gigabyte Gtx670. Would I gave been better off with a reference card? Like if reference cards didnt have such bad cooling, could it have higher OCs than a custom pcb? My 670 already runs at 1350mhz with locked voltage.

Depends on your air flow.

Selecting a GPU based on air cooling has a lot of variables.

The cooler you linked is going to dump ALL GPU heat inside the case. Its going to raise the entire temp inside the case. This mean's in order to keep the same inside case temp you will need to raise the airflow across the board, meaning faster louder fans.

custom GPU air cooling is a PITA compared to a water loop, TONS of stuff affects the overall outcome.
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My current card already dumps a ton of heat into my case but the case temps are fine. But I want the card to run even cooler and quieter. I'd trade temps for lower noise any day.
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My current card already dumps a ton of heat into my case but the case temps are fine. But I want the card to run even cooler and quieter. I'd trade temps for lower noise any day.

Good. If you like the cooler you linked you will need a set up like so:

use This cable It will plug into the Fan header on the GPU and allow you to use a PWM fan. Then with the help of AfterBurn(or similar) you can use a PWM 120mm fan and have it actually scale airflow based on card temps.

In addition, if you need two fans to make a GPU cooler work proper use a PWM splitter cable that draws power from a 4-pin molex. This way you won't have two fans drawing power form you GPU fan header, but they will both funtion off the PWM.
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I read someone mentioned that reference pcb's use higher grade components. Is this true? I always thought that custom pcb's were better since Asus and Gigabyte usually put more power phases.

Non-reference PCBs can go both ways. MSI, Asus & Gigabyte tend to make non-reference PCBs superior to reference, although it is possible they can make non-ref. PCBs cheaper to save money (like XFX has in the past).
    
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Good. If you like the cooler you linked you will need a set up like so:

use This cable It will plug into the Fan header on the GPU and allow you to use a PWM fan. Then with the help of AfterBurn(or similar) you can use a PWM 120mm fan and have it actually scale airflow based on card temps.

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Already have one of those cables ready to go! biggrin.gif I'm still waiting for a particular fan to be in stock to purchase and hesitant to buy that cooler. I want to take off the stock cooler first and strap nice 120mm fans directly to the heatsink to see how it performs first. The MK-26 is also appealing since I can always reuse for whatever GPU I get in the future. Thanks and +rep thumb.gif

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Non-reference PCBs can go both ways. MSI, Asus & Gigabyte tend to make non-reference PCBs superior to reference, although it is possible they can make non-ref. PCBs cheaper to save money (like XFX has in the past).

Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks. +rep


Anyone know of there are compatibility issues mounting the cooler to different cards?
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Already have one of those cables ready to go! biggrin.gif I'm still waiting for a particular fan to be in stock to purchase and hesitant to buy that cooler. I want to take off the stock cooler first and strap nice 120mm fans directly to the heatsink to see how it performs first. The MK-26 is also appealing since I can always reuse for whatever GPU I get in the future. Thanks and +rep thumb.gif
Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks. +rep


Anyone know of there are compatibility issues mounting the cooler to different cards?

There can be. VRM placement, cap placement, mounting holes can be different from card to card. You'd have to look at bare pictures of the two cards in question and see if it'll work.
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Comparing the two PCBs (GB vs EVGA) there isn't too much difference. Looks like my GB will have no problems. Either way $65 on newegg plus 10% off made me pull the trigger. Thanks everyone!
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Comparing the two PCBs (GB vs EVGA) there isn't too much difference. Looks like my GB will have no problems. Either way $65 on newegg plus 10% off made me pull the trigger. Thanks everyone!


There isn't much difference cuz the GB doesn't add anything to the mix. The only real custom cards regarding on kepler which are worth a damn are the lightning and dc2 because you can add voltage with them.
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Universal blocks are soooo ugly though ; - ;

Traded my 7970 Vapor for a reference MSI lol
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