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i made up my mind
i wont be waiting for AMD 8000 Series ............. as many users here pointed out they will most likely be delayed

So i want a GPU Now , I want it to be as Future Proof as Possible
I already asked a question here
http://www.overclock.net/forum/newestpost/1353799
But it was a bit unorganized , So here goes the Questions in a more Civilized fashion !

I have several Questions in mind

1.What should i buy right now
NViDIA 670 or AMD 7970/7950 (As Price of 7970 = 670 in my country)

2.When i Search "best single monitor gpu" in google ......... most of them suggests 670........ Although i see 7950 as a more 'bang for the money' option

3.If i dont get NVIDIA the i dont get to enjoy PhysX ................. What are the alternatives ? ............ Any Software Alternatives

4.I did some price check based on our Currency
Here it is (Very Few of them are here) {Just for Reference}

5.if i am to get the AMD ones ................. Should i take the 7970 or 7950
i did some research:i found this
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/34761-amd-hd-7950-vs-hd-7970-clocks/

6.Is it better to buy a factory overclocked card or buy a stock card and overclock yourself ?

7.What are the most Important thing in a GPU ...................... i mean Vram or GPU Clock or GPU Manufacturing Process or Memory etc
{i read some where that Gpu does not depend on Vram ! }

8.Which Companies Sell AMD Cards (Just for my Information)
As far as i know => ASUS , MSI , Sapphire , Power Color , HIS , XFX , Gigabyte .............................................. Have i left any one?

9.Which Brands or Variants are the Best ? of
a.7970
b.7950

{The Asus DC2T version , Sapphire Flex Edition , Sapphire VaporX , Gigabyte Windforce caught my eye .}

10.What is Locked and Unlocked in a GPU ?............................ Which Brands Sell Unlocked Gpu's?
(I have no idea of Unlocked and Locked ......... But as i read Unlocked helps you to Overclock more)
Which is better Locked or Unlocked
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### my uses in my other thread ............................................... so 2 or 3 fps difference wont matter to me ......... but more than that .................. depends on price ...................... So guys Sorry for asking so many questions ............................ but please find me a card ###
Edited by John117 - 3/2/13 at 9:17pm
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1: I'd say the 7970. The 670 usually competes with the 7950, and almost always loses to the 7970. Plus, the 7970 has insane overclocking potential.

2: The 7950 is definitely the best of the three in the 'bang for the buck' category.

3: There aren't any software alternatives to PhysX that I know of, unfortunately. Fortunately, however, it's only used in a handful of games, and developers are starting to use a more 'open' system through DirectCompute that works on both AMD and nVidia.

4: Looking at that comparison, the 7950 may be the best choice, actually.

5: Keep in mind that those benchmarks are over a year old; newer drivers have widened the gap between the two.

6: If there's a significant price difference, I'd say go for the stock version; only cards like the Lightning and the Matrix Platinum tend to OC better, and it's far from a guarantee with them. If possible, go for stock clocked with a good nonreference cooler.

7: With the exception of quantity of VRAM, everything is more or less equally important, and depends heavily on the architecture of the GPU. As long as there is enough VRAM to run games at the desired resolution, it's really not very important. With high end cards, more isn't a bad thing, as it helps with future-proofing, but it's less important than things like clocks, memory interface, and stream processor/CUDA core count.

8: Hmm, ASUS, MSI, Sapphire, Diamond, PowerColor, HIS, XFX, Gigabyte, Club3D, and VTX3D are the ones I can think of right now, though I think there's another one or two.

9: For the 7970, ASUS' Matrix Platinum and MSI's Lightning are probably the best. For the 7950, I'd say Sapphire's Flex cards, MSI's Twin Frozr cards, and ASUS' DC2 cards are the best. Beyond that, it's pretty much a matter of personal choice.
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1. I can recommend the GTX 670
2. Yes, the 670 performs great at 1080p. Don't let 2gb fool you, it's plenty.
3. There used to be PhysX compatibility with a second card, the main being AMD, but they removed support.
4. Those prices look steep. $550 for a 670 is too much.
5.
6. A factory overclocked card is guaranteed to overclock that much and a stock one is not. Better to go factory OC.
7. Excess VRAM does not increase performance. In some cases it can hinder performance.
8. Diamond, Visiontek
9. Sapphire, Gigabyte, and Asus are all very good cards.
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for the best value for your money get a HD 7950. get the Sapphire HD 7950 boost . good cooler. unlocked voltage.

http://www.flipkart.com/sapphire-amd-ati-hd-7950-3gb-gddr5-boost-3-gb-graphics-card/p/itmdfyygkk2zwpjk?pid=GRCDC2QTBPZHV8HQ&ref=0b9fdb7d-617e-4501-b294-9d17659f2ec4
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1. If you want to get an extra feature, grab a 670, if not 7970 is a good choice

2. at 1080p most of GTX 600 series and HD 7000 series is a perfect choice....

3. Most of games right now, don't use the PhysX "specifically", so you will be fine with a single high end cards.

4. 7950 is a best choice for price/performance or called "best bang for buck"

5. It depends on how much money you want to spend on the GPU. If money isn't problem, 7970 is a good choice...you can buy something from Sapphire, MSI, ASUS

6. For multi GPU setup, I think the reference cooler is the best choice...single card the non reference cooler is the best.

7. I think all aspect is important, but the most important IMO is....Architecture, Bus/Bit, VRAM.

8. MSI, Gigabyte, Sapphire, XFX, PowerColor, Club3D, HIS, ASUS, Diamond, VTX3D.

9. 7970 : Lightning and Matrix Platinum
7950 : MSI TF III, Sapphire Vapor-X, etc

10. I think most of AMD cards are Unlocked Voltage, but AFAIK, the Gigabyte "newer" version is the Locked one.
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For 1080p I d grab the card Raghu suggested. It is a reference board with a good aftermarket cooler and the price is quite nice. The extra money spent on a 7970 is just not necessary right now and would be better saved for a new GPU again in a year or so.
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Get HD 7950 from MSI , factory overclocked version just like Sapphire 7950 boost, also have a great cooler. The plus is you get 3 year warranty for these while you only get 2 year warranty from Sapphire cards, plus you have to Mail Sapphire RMA card to Hongkong instead of MSI's US RMA office.
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OFF Topic:
Whats the meaning of this =>
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/tahiti-le-7870-7930-benchmark,3401-4.html
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11.is 7970 Ghz Edition is the OVerclocked version of Original 7970 ?

12.[IMPORTANT[ QUESTION]/B] Suppose i buy a 7950 now ......... then in the future i but a 8000 series card ........ can i use the 7950 and the 8000 series card i CrosfireX ?
{i found a thread but that does not seem to answer my question
http://www.overclock.net/t/1205732/crossfire-different-graphics-cards}
post #9 of 12
HD 7970 Ghz is a newer version of the HD 7970 launched by AMD. it has a higher clock speed of 1050 mhz with AMD powertune boost. HD 7970 Ghz has a higher stock voltage of 1.25v. overclocking to 1150 - 1200 mhz at stock voltage is quite easy.

the HD 8000 series cards are launching in Q4 2013. there is no guarantee that you can CF a HD 7950 with a next gen HD 8950. but you should be able to purchase a HD 7950 for atleast a year or more.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post

1: I'd say the 7970. The 670 usually competes with the 7950, and almost always loses to the 7970. Plus, the 7970 has insane overclocking potential.

2: The 7950 is definitely the best of the three in the 'bang for the buck' category.

3: There aren't any software alternatives to PhysX that I know of, unfortunately. Fortunately, however, it's only used in a handful of games, and developers are starting to use a more 'open' system through DirectCompute that works on both AMD and nVidia.

4: Looking at that comparison, the 7950 may be the best choice, actually.

5: Keep in mind that those benchmarks are over a year old; newer drivers have widened the gap between the two.

6: If there's a significant price difference, I'd say go for the stock version; only cards like the Lightning and the Matrix Platinum tend to OC better, and it's far from a guarantee with them. If possible, go for stock clocked with a good nonreference cooler.

7: With the exception of quantity of VRAM, everything is more or less equally important, and depends heavily on the architecture of the GPU. As long as there is enough VRAM to run games at the desired resolution, it's really not very important. With high end cards, more isn't a bad thing, as it helps with future-proofing, but it's less important than things like clocks, memory interface, and stream processor/CUDA core count.

8: Hmm, ASUS, MSI, Sapphire, Diamond, PowerColor, HIS, XFX, Gigabyte, Club3D, and VTX3D are the ones I can think of right now, though I think there's another one or two.

9: For the 7970, ASUS' Matrix Platinum and MSI's Lightning are probably the best. For the 7950, I'd say Sapphire's Flex cards, MSI's Twin Frozr cards, and ASUS' DC2 cards are the best. Beyond that, it's pretty much a matter of personal choice.

4.Hypotheticaly: If i use 1x ASUS VG23AH Monitor 72 Hz IPS Panel .............. Will There be any Major Practical Real Life Visual Differences Between 7970 GHz Edition , 7970 , 7950 (If i pay 15000 more for the 7970s)
5.By How Much ?

6."Far From Guarantee " that means no guarantee !!! ??
What is a Reference Cooler ? or a Non Reference Cooler

8.I dont think Club3d VTX3d dont sell in india

9." Sapphire's Flex cards, MSI's Twin Frozr cards, and ASUS' DC2 "
Thats just what i told that caught my eye

So i have to find which ones cheapest
Quote:
Originally Posted by Legonut View Post

1. I can recommend the GTX 670
2. Yes, the 670 performs great at 1080p. Don't let 2gb fool you, it's plenty.
3. There used to be PhysX compatibility with a second card, the main being AMD, but they removed support.
4. Those prices look steep. $550 for a 670 is too much.
5.
6. A factory overclocked card is guaranteed to overclock that much and a stock one is not. Better to go factory OC.
7. Excess VRAM does not increase performance. In some cases it can hinder performance.
8. Diamond, Visiontek
9. Sapphire, Gigabyte, and Asus are all very good cards.

2.can you please tell me why ?
(Asking as Most of the members suggested amd 7950)

3.Too Bad

4.Thats how it is in India Always Computer Parts Prices = US Price + ~ 20000 INR

7.Hinder Performance ?? How ? i like to know !

8.Thanks.................. Checking them

9.Are Gigabyte Locked ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharchaster View Post

1. If you want to get an extra feature, grab a 670, if not 7970 is a good choice

2. at 1080p most of GTX 600 series and HD 7000 series is a perfect choice....

3. Most of games right now, don't use the PhysX "specifically", so you will be fine with a single high end cards.

4. 7950 is a best choice for price/performance or called "best bang for buck"

5. It depends on how much money you want to spend on the GPU. If money isn't problem, 7970 is a good choice...you can buy something from Sapphire, MSI, ASUS

6. For multi GPU setup, I think the reference cooler is the best choice...single card the non reference cooler is the best.

7. I think all aspect is important, but the most important IMO is....Architecture, Bus/Bit, VRAM.

8. MSI, Gigabyte, Sapphire, XFX, PowerColor, Club3D, HIS, ASUS, Diamond, VTX3D.

9. 7970 : Lightning and Matrix Platinum
7950 : MSI TF III, Sapphire Vapor-X, etc

10. I think most of AMD cards are Unlocked Voltage, but AFAIK, the Gigabyte "newer" version is the Locked one.

1."Extra Feature"--- Are you talking about PhysX ?
if yes then i decided to let it go..................... too less games to worry about it
if no then tell me what it is?

7970 is Pricey here but if i will check if i can get within my budget ........... Whats the Best 7970 ............. or should i go for 7970 GHz Edition ..................... More Future Proof ??

2.OK ......... i will be using ASUS VG23AH

3.OK too

4.Yes Money .................... in India

6. For now its Single GPU............................................... Whats non reference cooler & reference cooler
Which Brands Sell non reference cooler GPUs?
Which Brands Sell reference cooler GPUs?
So that i can Differentiate .

8.OK Got It

Quote:
Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

Get HD 7950 from MSI , factory overclocked version just like Sapphire 7950 boost, also have a great cooler. The plus is you get 3 year warranty for these while you only get 2 year warranty from Sapphire cards, plus you have to Mail Sapphire RMA card to Hongkong instead of MSI's US RMA office.

I am in India!!
so which brand is best for india ?
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