Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel Motherboards › Help me choose between these two Tri-Sli boards, please!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Help me choose between these two Tri-Sli boards, please! - Page 2

post #11 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hammong View Post

The only problem I see with the GA-Z77X-UP7 is that there is a larger support base for the ASUS Maximus board, but there's no denying the Gigabyte's VRM arrangement and PLX PCIe switch are compelling features.

I say give it a try and let us know if that PLX switch induces enough bus latency to offset the 2x improvement in bandwidth offered by x16 vs x8 on those cards. =)

Greg

I'm not quite as tech savvy as you sound so I'm not sure what any of that really means. Do you know of a place I can learn about that so when I get the board I can report my findings back to y'all?

Thanks! smile.gif
post #12 of 22
Gigabyte Z77-UP7 review
ASUS Maximus V Extreme review
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:

I can't see those links for unknown reasons; I'm deployed right now and many sites are blocked on our line. If you don't feel like typing out any explanations, that's cool. Maybe someone else will hop along and see the thread. I have seen reviews of both boards and considered both, but I have not seen comparisons between the two or read reasons why one would be better than the other, that is why I created the thread.
post #14 of 22
Any reason why you don't want a much cheaper G1 Sniper 3?

As for lane arrangement. PLX doubles CPU lanes from 16 to 36. If you use all 4 slots, they'll run at x8/x8/x8/x8.

MVE has Thunderbolt, UP7 doesn't.
MVE has PCI-E swith, UP7 has dedicated PCI-E x16 passing PLX chip.
MVE has 8 phase VRM with low-RDS mosfets, UP7 has 32 phase quadrupled from 8 VRM with IR3550 mosfets that are 2x better. As been said, they are overkill, but UP7 will run cooler.

Stability wise I hear different reports. I can only speak of UP7 compared to my UD5H which is rock solid for almost a year.
Edited by DeXel - 3/3/13 at 10:58am
Ivy Bridge
(21 items)
 
Ryzen
(5 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H EVGA Geforce GTX 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x8GB 1600Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 830 Western Digital WD1001FALS Samsung HD753LJ ST3300822AS 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Western Digital RED 3 TB Custom Loop Lamptron FC Touch Windows 8.1 update 1 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2414H CM Storm Quickfire Rapid Red EVGA G2 1000W Cooler Master Cosmos II 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G502 Logitech G240 Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 600 OHM Schiit Valhalla 
Audio
M-Audio AV40 
  hide details  
Reply
Ivy Bridge
(21 items)
 
Ryzen
(5 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H EVGA Geforce GTX 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x8GB 1600Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 830 Western Digital WD1001FALS Samsung HD753LJ ST3300822AS 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Western Digital RED 3 TB Custom Loop Lamptron FC Touch Windows 8.1 update 1 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2414H CM Storm Quickfire Rapid Red EVGA G2 1000W Cooler Master Cosmos II 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G502 Logitech G240 Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 600 OHM Schiit Valhalla 
Audio
M-Audio AV40 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeXel View Post

Any reason why you don't want a much cheaper G1 Sniper 3?

I don't like the color, really.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeXel View Post

MVE has Thunderbolt, UP7 doesn't.

I have no need for a Thunderbolt port; I actually haven't seen any external drives or monitors with them, yet, either - only Apple products and other motherboards.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeXel View Post

MVE has PCI-E swith, UP7 has dedicated PCI-E x16 passing PLX chip.
MVE has 8 phase VRM with low-RDS mosfets, UP7 has 32 phase quadrupled from 8 VRM with IR3550 mosfets that are 2x better. As been said, they are overkill, but UP7 will run cooler.

I'm not sure what those differences mean in lamen's terms of which would be better... now, if you explained why... however, I digress; I'm sure y'all don't have time to explain stuff all day. I wasn't aware of so many of the complex responses I've received; I figured there might have been more definitive "this one/that one, because X" replies - doesn't seem the case. Instead, everyone would prefer it if I were to choose something entirely different for their reasons.
post #16 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nocturnal Link View Post

I don't like the color, really.
I have no need for a Thunderbolt port; I actually haven't seen any external drives or monitors with them, yet, either - only Apple products and other motherboards.
I'm not sure what those differences mean in lamen's terms of which would be better... now, if you explained why... however, I digress; I'm sure y'all don't have time to explain stuff all day. I wasn't aware of so many of the complex responses I've received; I figured there might have been more definitive "this one/that one, because X" replies - doesn't seem the case. Instead, everyone would prefer it if I were to choose something entirely different for their reasons.

Not really sure what you meant in the last few lines,
but you asked for advice on which board, we gave it,
then you asked for justification why, we gave you the reasons,
then you state you don't understand any of those reasons and that we are all biased in the info we provided. confused.gif

In lamen's terms, any Z77 board out there thats above 100$ (Extreme4 & UD3H have the best value) is a decent board. The higher the price, the better overclocking capability & extra features.
Since you need a Tri-SLI capable board, the choices you provided & what others suggested are all very good. Can't go wrong with any of them.
Choose one that suites your taste in terms of looks, brand preference, warranty, RMA service and pull the trigger (haha get it?)
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eXXon View Post

Not really sure what you meant in the last few lines,
but you asked for advice on which board, we gave it,
then you asked for justification why, we gave you the reasons,
then you state you don't understand any of those reasons and that we are all biased in the info we provided. confused.gif

I didn't get reasons why from a couple of the posts, particularly yours and the one prior to this; you simply posted two reviews, which I couldn't view, and the other person listed a bunch of details about the features in the MVE and the Gigabyte, but he did not explain which feature was better than the other. The only feature which I recognized was the Thunderbolt implementation; everything else, I have no knowledge of. Because I have no knowledge of some of the features y'all have so kindly listed, I had asked for reasons why those features would be beneficial. I also stated if you did not feel like explaining anything, then don't bother. I apologize if my text came out in any other way; I did not mean it to sound berating.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eXXon View Post

In lamen's terms, any Z77 board out there thats above 100$ (Extreme4 & UD3H have the best value) is a decent board. The higher the price, the better overclocking capability & extra features.
Since you need a Tri-SLI capable board, the choices you provided & what others suggested are all very good. Can't go wrong with any of them.
Choose one that suites your taste in terms of looks, brand preference, warranty, RMA service and pull the trigger (haha get it?)

Thank you. That is helpful information.
post #18 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nocturnal Link View Post

I didn't get reasons why from a couple of the posts, particularly yours and the one prior to this; you simply posted two reviews, which I couldn't view, and the other person listed a bunch of details about the features in the MVE and the Gigabyte, but he did not explain which feature was better than the other. The only feature which I recognized was the Thunderbolt implementation; everything else, I have no knowledge of. Because I have no knowledge of some of the features y'all have so kindly listed, I had asked for reasons why those features would be beneficial. I also stated if you did not feel like explaining anything, then don't bother. I apologize if my text came out in any other way; I did not mean it to sound berating.
Thank you. That is helpful information.

You're welcome & stay safe thumb.gif
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
TheSadFlute
(16 items)
 
DyingHeart
(17 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-6700K TUF Sabertooth MSI 1080 Ti 16GB 2400MHz C15 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveCooling
Corsair 480GB LE 3TB WD Green Sammy 500GB 850 EVO H100i 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 7 Pro  BenQ XR3501 Logitech G710+ EVGA G2 750W 
CaseMouseAudioAudio
Cooler Master Stryker Logitech G602 Asus Strix Nakamichi 5.1 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X4 965BE  Sapphire 790X Zotac GTX650  4GB Corsair 1066 DDR2 (1GBx4) 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingCooling
G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB WD 2TB Green Stock 3x120mm UQ fans 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
W7 Pro SP1 x64 LG 21' 1680x1050 Genius  Corsair CX600 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Gigabyte  E-Blue Mazer XFX WarPad On-board 
Audio
Logitech G35 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 22
Well buying an motherboard is all about being technical lol.

In short I listed phase count 8 (MVE) vs 32 (UP7). Generally more is better for overclocking if the quality of MOSFETs, chocks, inductors, and capacitors is the same. In this case UP7 also has better MOSFETs. It's much better boards in VRM specs, but as I mentioned previously in real world you won't hit the limit on either board.

PCIE switch on MVE let's you choice whether PCI-E slots receives lanes directly from the CPU or goes through PLX lane doubler first.

LGA1155 CPUs have only 16 PCI-E lanes (20 for Xeons), and SLI requires at least x8 per GPU.

So manufactures use PLX chip to double the capacity, but PLX brings extra latency.

Ideally you want to use lanes from CPU directly when you use 1 or in some cases 2 GPUs for better performance.

MVE PCI-E switch gives that flexibility. With UP7 you get a dedicated PCI-E X16 slot that is tied CPU, so it's pretty much the same.

Saying that I can justify price tag of UP7 due to VRM components cost of nearly the third of the board's price, but I wouldn't pay more than $300 for MVE imho.

Thunderbolt will be useful in long run, or if you want to connect external enclosure with 5 HDDs using a single interface rolleyes.gif. Saying that Thunderbolt won't become mainstream anytime soon.
Ivy Bridge
(21 items)
 
Ryzen
(5 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H EVGA Geforce GTX 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x8GB 1600Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 830 Western Digital WD1001FALS Samsung HD753LJ ST3300822AS 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Western Digital RED 3 TB Custom Loop Lamptron FC Touch Windows 8.1 update 1 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2414H CM Storm Quickfire Rapid Red EVGA G2 1000W Cooler Master Cosmos II 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G502 Logitech G240 Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 600 OHM Schiit Valhalla 
Audio
M-Audio AV40 
  hide details  
Reply
Ivy Bridge
(21 items)
 
Ryzen
(5 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H EVGA Geforce GTX 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x8GB 1600Mhz CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Samsung 830 Western Digital WD1001FALS Samsung HD753LJ ST3300822AS 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingOS
Western Digital RED 3 TB Custom Loop Lamptron FC Touch Windows 8.1 update 1 Professional 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell P2414H CM Storm Quickfire Rapid Red EVGA G2 1000W Cooler Master Cosmos II 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech G502 Logitech G240 Beyerdynamic DT 880 Premium 600 OHM Schiit Valhalla 
Audio
M-Audio AV40 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeXel View Post

PCIE switch on MVE let's you choice whether PCI-E slots receives lanes directly from the CPU or goes through PLX lane doubler first.

LGA1155 CPUs have only 16 PCI-E lanes (20 for Xeons), and SLI requires at least x8 per GPU.

So manufactures use PLX chip to double the capacity, but PLX brings extra latency.

Ideally you want to use lanes from CPU directly when you use 1 or in some cases 2 GPUs for better performance.

MVE PCI-E switch gives that flexibility. With UP7 you get a dedicated PCI-E X16 slot that is tied CPU, so it's pretty much the same.

Veeeerrrry interesting stuff, more of which I didn't know. (+rep!) So, if you were to choose to use the CPU directly on the MVE for tri-SLI, wouldn't you be short lanes for all three cards? (Using an i7 2600k)

Also, what kind of "latency" are we talking here? I hate "latency." Who doesn't right? I was already experiencing what I believe was the dreaded SLI stuttering I hear about so much with only two cards. (mouse seems to jitter/skip pixels when looking around in certain games; other games are fine, windows environment is fine, using Logitech G9X) Search youtube for a video I showed of this before I left for Afghanistan; it's named BF3 mouse jitter/stutter, or something along those lines. I would show the link, but I don't have access to youtube. Although, that's another issue entirely, I think, so no need to worry about it. I'm just curious about this lag you speak of when using the PLX doubler.

Thanks!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Intel Motherboards
Overclock.net › Forums › Intel › Intel Motherboards › Help me choose between these two Tri-Sli boards, please!